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> creep torque

Tangent: creep is an artifact of how an idling ICE interacts with a torque converter. Simulating it on EVs seems like a mistake to me, serving only to make them feel more familiar to a subset of first-time EV drivers.

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Creep is needed for tight parking, for example when you'd like to move the car 10 cm forward. To simulate driving without it, turn on auto-hold and use only accelerator and brake for parking -- tight spots become extremely hard.

Using both feet is a potential solution here, though I've heard some newer cars respond poorly to that.

Data point: some ICE vehicles now have settings to turn creep on or off.

Source: My mother's 2024 Subaru that I help set up for her.

The automatic transmissions for all recent Subarus appear to use torque converters, which would normally have creep. Modern torque converters are much more advanced than older ones, so I'm not surprised the option exists to disable it. All models except the BRZ use a CVT with fake gears, which I find distasteful.

Heh, I will see your “distasteful” adjective and raise you “nauseating”. I got a newish Subaru as a rental a couple of months ago and found both city and highway driving left me feeling slightly disoriented all the time.

Specifically automatic transmissions.

Standard/Manual/Stick transmissions don't have creep.

Automated manuals and DCTs also don't naturally have creep, but sometimes it's added in. I imagine that's bad for the clutches.

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