Chi-fi tuning – Why it sounds piercing to Western ears (2020)
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The way they get that deep powerful bass is not just by increasing the bass, that would leave everything outside of the bass too quite in comparison, they also put dips in the frequency response to accentuate the bass. These dips work fairly well as long as the instruments are fairly consistent in their ranges which is quite regular in western pop, everything is essential a bass, a guitar and vocals even when they are not and you have 10 instruments in the mix, everyone sticks to the various ranges which sound right and the engineer (assuming they are good) fudges things with the mixing. But the dips come at a cost, you lose detail.
I find even with "western consumer grade headphones", I need to add about +3db to 20hz, 0db to 200hz, -3db at 2khz, and 0db at 20khz, to be able to turn up the volume and hear all the instruments without any single freq range dominating. This makes such an improvement on every pair of headphones I've tried it on, that I wonder who came up with the "standard" frequency response curve of human hearing that the manufacturers are using as reference.
I setup an EQ with that shape on my girlfriend's headphones, and she was surprised how much more comfortable it sounded. Then she got new headphones, tried them out, and immediately said "ew, can you change the sound the way you did before?" I set the EQ in the new headphones' software and "much better."
So headphone makers also have to target an age group, or at least average things out so it’s not right for anyone.
That can often be the case, but it isn't necessarily always the case.
There is nothing in particular that absolutely prevents a transducer from having reasonably-flat (in an amplitude-vs-power sense) response in the bass region -- including all the way down to 20Hz or below.
I get it.
We all have preferences.
"How much more comfortable it sounded" ????
Musical instruments, live concerts, studio sessions, acoustic sessions? There is nothing warm and fuzzy comfortable about the above 4 things I mentioned.
I wish the stereo review industry would be honest and stop saying it's all about preference. It is,,,,but,,,some speakers/headphones are indeed better than others. If speaker A's output signal is closer to it's input signal than speaker B, it is a better product, period.
As a basshead myself, this reminds me of these Drum & Bass artists that found the speakers in the venues they played at were not tuned for the music they were producing, so they built their own soundsystem to bring with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck-kq6g0-QY
As an example, give a quick listen to Turn Off the Lights[0]. It sounds incredibly empty and tinny on small sound systems, but add a subwoofer and you discover a whole other layer of chest-shaking bass. This stuff is made to be played live on a properly tuned sound system.
One of the best-sounding, lowest distortion I've tried is also the cheapest, the Truthear Zero 2, available on Amazon for $25.
If you're interested in scientific measurements of the IEM, AudioScienceReview has it covered: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/7...
I remember 10-15 years ago, it was impossible to find affordable IEMs that had decent quality, and Etymotic HF2 were like the first revelation, that hey, this is possible with an iPhone compatible mic. But, things have really changed, definitely thanks to the Chi-fi explosion.
Sounds interesting, but I don't know what search terms to use. Does anyone have any representative examples?
I've followed Dr. Fang of HifiMan & some of their newer competition for over 15 years, and watched that industry develop and leapfrog its western equivalent in both quality and market size. As an enthusiast it's been wonderful to see - they have converged to a mass-market audio segment in which sound quality and tuning preference is either the primary feature or an overwhelming consideration, which we simply don't have over here, at least not outside the realms of gatekept audiosnobbery; we've had celebrity endorsements and beats and boses and told that woofers which fart into our brains is what 'good' sounds like. Though I guess this might be the 'western tuning' they refer to.
One thing I'm looking forward to is seeing how their custom iem market grows and develops. Custom IEMs are such a humongous leap in quality of experience, but they're simply not popular or even known outside of professional performer and high end audiophile circles, almost certainly due to cost of production and complexity of fitting. But as modern tech makes ear impressions reusable[0], and skin-friendly 3d printing tech advances, fully automated production of custom tech wear feels like the natural next step. And being able to put something into your ears that you literally can't feel once it's in there and warmed up, and cuts 40db so you can comfortably listen to it at volumes far lower than conventional earphones, is divine, it's a level-up that is difficult to explain. It's certainly something more people should have access to, and a market segment that can really afford to go down in price.
I was in a restaurant in a small town outside of Shanghai years ago when an old lady came to regale us with her singing accompanied by a one-string stick sort of violin.
It was unbearable. Her high pitched voice was weak Waverly and shrill and that one string violin was piercing and offsetting.
I mentioned that I would be willing to pay to send the person away and one of my young Chinese dinner companions said "me too"
A significant proportion of tastes in sound are catered for, at all price points; with particular heat generated at and below the sub $100 mark. This is especially noticeable in the build quality and the quality of the tuning which has significantly improved in this market segment as competition has heated up.
Salvageable headphones include, but not limited to (I hope...) Sennheiser HD600 and Audio Technica ath-r70x.
Extended use of a neutral setup is a requisite.
If somebody consistently turns up the bass when listening to Bose or Beats or something that's are known for being bass-heavy, do you really think they'd need a neutral setup to know that they like bass?
Sure, if it's axiomatic that distortion is always bad. My axiom is that my enjoyment is good. If EQ helps me enjoy music more, I don't care if it's distortion.
> This is great, but for the real experience, you need to listen to this album with demonstrably worse gear.
Got a pair of Moondrop SSR - failed within a year.
Got a pair of Apple earpods - works for two years without issues for a fraction of the price.
I'm done with the Chinese IEM meme.
P.S. For anyone thinking i bash just because of China or western audiophile superiority - no i just got burned by articles like this and crinnancle reviews twice and sharing my experience.
Not when there is no media playing. This was back when the first Pros came out and when I googled it, there were a lot of reports of the same issue.
I say all this as a generally-happy Apple product consumer btw - and of course, there are many people who don’t experience these issues. But that goes for the Chi-Fi brands as well, since we’re ultimately talking about quality control.
It seems they're far more common to have a 2-pin connector now instead of MMCX.
Got a pair of FiiO earbuds - works after 5 years
Got a pair of Skullcandy earbuds - failed within a month
Got a pair of Sony WF-1000XM5 - failed within a year
Got a pair of AirPod Pro2 - works after 2 years
Got a pair of Beat Fit Pro - failed within a year
Got a pair of Moondrop Blessing 2 - works after 2 years
I can keep going for a while. Aren't all of these assembled in China? The Chinese meme strong is strong with us.
Some Airpods are manufactured in Vietnam.