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I regularly go to sleep at around 6 am, when the sun starts coming up, and wake up at around 2 / 3 pm. It doesn't matter where I am, or the time of the year. That's my natural bed time.

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I appreciate that a lot. I'm generally sleeping 4:30am-12:30pm. Recent travel puts me at 10:30pm-6:30am which I'm trying to artificially maintain for a month. I'm sorry that you felt you had to create a throwaway account to post what you did, it's telling about the prejudices that circadian-divergent people (my term, mostly called DSPS) face in society. (e.g. parallel response talking about being called lazy by family). I try hard to locate myself in places (time zones) where I can exploit 'circadian arbitrage'. Remote work is the big enabler, and I consciously work to help folks maintain & expand the remote work ecosystem's momentum.

the funny thing is that because of such sleep times i never had a problem with jetlag. if i am forced to get up early and work all day then i can also get to sleep earlier. the issue though is that since i have kids, i only get time for myself, eg to watch tv or a movie after the rest of the family is asleep, thus pushing my bedtime again back late into the night. i haven't found a way to solve that without completely giving up watching tv. (and i don't watch much to begin with. 1-2 hours per day)

That is unfortunate. Mine is 2am and it has been that way for 3 decades. It is a pain in the ass because I only sleep well at the weekend but then my mornings are gone and family give no end of grief about being lazy.

6am is a whole new ball game. Not sure how I could deal with that.

That sounds like Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder [1]. There is a subreddit on it with some sad stories of people having to give up good careers to work as security guards because society can't find a role for them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder

What do you do for a living? That's my natural schedule too. Flexible dev jobs are not as common as I was led to believe, and this has affected my life deeply.

I found job to be an easy part - eventually, everyone got used to not expect to see me in the office before 10 AM. When I switched to remote work for a team in a different timezone, it got even easier (occasional flying in to the office get tricky, though).

It's the family bit that's hell, with a partner who lives on almost a perfect 06:00 - 22:00 schedule and can adjust that to waking earlier if needed, and now kids who also don't like to sleep past 07:00. I'm now stuck in a limbo of family forcing me to get up early, and all my body and mind and soul making me stay up late. A tug of war that's been going on for years now.

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