The Battery Revolution Is Finally Here
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Just a few minutes ago, for example, Xiaomi released a video of their SU7 Ultra on the Nordschleife. They got a time of 6:46:874 [1] which places them on position 6 of the overall leaderboard [2]. So a Chinese smartphone manufacturer is very close to being the fastest car on the Nordschleife. A decade of experience vs. a few years of experience. With this pace, my guess is that they'll beat the German manufacturers somewhere next year.
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWK6GcH0vqE
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords...
When companies like Porsche feel they can be bothered to make an electric race car, they’ll probably blitz everyone else simply because of their decades of chassis and suspension design. They haven’t done so yet because they are acutely aware of their fan base and customers don’t want one.
There is a lot of people who feel racing electric cars is just boring and too easy, and I am happily part of that population because as you mention, there’s very little engineering effort to compete against or with.
Right now I'm not in the EV market but am impressed by seeing LiFePO4 batteries at under $100 per KWH retail, for possible use at home with off-grid solar. See places like batteryhookup.com if you want some.
I have no doubt that electric engines are the future, but we desperately need something better to provide the electricity to them.
https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2023/mcs2023-lithium.pd...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68896707
and environmental aspects of mining and disposal AFAIK?
For silicon-carbon composite anodes, the challenge in getting apples-to-apples cost per kWh is that while the anode material is more expensive per kg than graphite, it also is much more energy-dense, so you need much less of it. However, to take advantage of the energy density, you need to enlarge the cathode (which brings the lithium). A classic simultaneous equation....
Without giving away proprietary info, it's safe to say the ultimate "value" of the battery (read $ per kWh) is reasonably close to today's Li-ion - for much higher performance.
Since LFP cathode technology is a topic, keep your eyes on LMFP. It is a bit more expensive than LFP, but also carries 15%-20% more energy - so its $ per kWh is lower. Then, if you marry it with a silicon anode, things start to get VERY interesting versus today's Li-ion performance and cost.
On a similar note, thermal imagers have got shockingly cheap recently, 50KPixel cube camera modules are available for <$200 and <$800 for the 0.33MPixel version. I recently picked up an integrated module with a 24x32 pixel sensor, LCD, uC and LiPo for £30n and it can "see" someone step out from behind a wall at a distance of 3 meters, ideal for my use case (airsoft!)
You could use normal fuel-burning engines for that, I'd suppose. Or rockets, depending.
> , 50KPixel cube camera modules are available for <$200 and <$800 for the 0.33MPixel version
The 50k case is not that recent (FLIR Lepton). Not sure about the 0.33MP. The 24x32 is very cheap and as you say, has enough res for some ok applications. I've been intrigued by it and wondered why FLIR seems to still have a monopoly over higher res detectors.
A 100kWh battery can help you out when you come back home if you know you can charge it the next day.
Yoshino has a large portable one on the market, 4000W, 2511Wh, though it's a bit pricey as it's new technology.
I think that's highly dependent on the expected life of those cells in absolute terms. If I'm buying a consumer product and a $100/kWh battery cell will last 10 years, but a $200/kWh battery cell will last 20 years, I'll go with the $100 one every time.
Why? Because in 10 years, with inflation and advancements in battery technology, I'll probably be able to buy a replacement 10 year battery for $40 in today's money, for a total of $140 instead of $200. I'm also lowering my risk exposure in case something happens to the battery, it only needs to survive 10 years instead of 20.
*Exact figures made-up on the spot.
While sodiums can't yet compete with liths, I think they'll get close enough for the safety benefit and cost to make them viable. And there will be new tech too.
Edit: ref for [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/zm5ead/olight_e...
That's great but how do we push all that energy into the battery at home in just 90 seconds? OK, we can push it in maybe 9 hours at home and still be happy so another question: what kind of equipment would back a charging station on a highway to make it able to charge a few of those batteries at the same time?
If they are talking about an individual cell with a nominal voltage of 3.7V, then "any" modern fast charger will do.
I don't think they were talking about a full-blown EV power bank.
You can also charge supercapacitors and uncharge it very fast if you like.
You can use the whole capacity of a charging park for just one car (if not a lot of cars are there).
You could also do a more classical gas station setup instead of a charging park. Cooled cable, 1-2 proper ports on the bottom etc.
It's launching as an IndieGogo and there is an offer for early-backers here https://get.gouach.com for a 25% discount on the battery!
The current situation seems to be that solid state batteries have been made as prototypes and work, but volume production is hard to do. Various approaches are being tried. One of the big players says the technology maturity is currently at 4 (technology validated in lab) on a scale of 1-9.
Huge amounts of money are being spent on this. It's probably going to work, but it's not clear if it will be cheap.
These new battery cells need factories that don't exist yet, new machines that are still being designed, they need to benefit from learning effects resulting from volume production that hasn't happened yet, etc. That's not going to happen overnight; it's going to take years/decades. Initial production volume will be low and the resulting products will be very expensive and scarce.
There's nothing wrong with the current batteries. They work, they are cheap, they have decent energy density (plenty for essentially all road based use cases), they last thousands of cycles (i.e. 10-20 years at least), and they are being produced by the twh/year. These things aren't going away, they are just going to continue to get better and cheaper for decades to come. It's already a mass production market and the drops in prices is growing the market with new products.
Solid state will grab market share very slowly in e.g. high end sports cars, pointlessly large trucks for socker mums and similar snobs (these aren't work vehicles, they are way too expensive for that), electrical planes and drones, and other use cases where price matters less and where energy density matters more.
I expect several car companies will make a fair amount of money selling insanely large batteries to people who believe they need to buy those at a big premium. But that's not going to be a mass market any time soon. These will be niche products produced in small numbers and sold at a high price.
Mass production won't be happening anytime soon. Most regular people will be driving lithium ion, LFP, sodium ion based cells, or similarly cheap/effective cells for a long time.
They're still not here, though. Not even small expensive ones. Military laptops, power tools, and aircraft would use them regardless of cost. When we start seeing some small products with huge energy storage, it's real.
[1] https://www.electrive.com/2024/05/30/china-solid-state-batte...
[2] https://carbuzz.com/toyota-solid-state-battery-basic-design-...
[3] https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/nissan-shows-in-co...
Examples from the past include EUV semiconductor exposure, and tungsten lamp filaments. In both cases, an insanely hard production process was made to work.
With EUV, for most of a decade, process engineers were trying to find some way to avoid the horribly expensive and clunky vaporized-tin EUV light sources. But nothing worked. Not small synchrotrons. A big linear accelerator would work, and SLAC was once borrowed to expose an IC, but that wasn't really feasible. Electron-beams systems remained too slow. So it had to be done the hard way. That's what ASML does. So far, nobody has a better way. Work continues in China on synchrotrons.
For tungsten lamp filaments, it was known in the late 1800s that they would work if they could be made in quantity. What's needed is fine wire made of a metal with a very high melting point. Platinum works fine, but costs too much. It took until 1911 to crack the tungsten problem. First, there's a complex sequence of grinding and chemical operations to get tungsten out of ore. There's a smelting step. There's more chemical processing, involving both hydrochloric and hydroflouric acid steps. Not fun. Then washing, separation, and grinding. That just gets you tungsten powder, not wire. So there's a sintering step in a heated press that makes fragile tungsten ingots. Those are annealed, reheated, and rolled down to long round rods. The rods get pointed so they can be started through a die to be drawn into wire. This realigns the crystal structure and the metal becomes ductile. Heating, cooling, and lubrication are involved. After passes through many dies, some made of diamond, fine tungsten wire emerges. General Electric had a big plant in Cleveland doing this for a century, after about two decades of struggling with the process.
Then along came LEDs, and the Cleveland twire factory is now a vacant lot.
Sometimes, though, the solution is to simplify the thing to be manufactured. A good example was TV camera tubes. The early tubes, the iconocope (Zworklin) and the image dissector (Farnsworth) had poor light sensitivity, but for quite different reasons. The iconoscope integrates light over a full frame time, but lacks a photomultiplier stage to amplify the emitted electrons. The image dissector only counts the light from the moment when the scan beam is hitting the spot being scanned, but it has a photomultiplier to amplify the few electrons knocked loose. So RCA bought the rights to both technologies and combined them into the image orthicon, a tube that cost US$10,000 in the 1950s. An image orthicon integrates light over a full frame, and has a photomultiplier built in, so light sensitivity is good enough to be usable. It was insanely complicated, required a large number of different power supplies and sweep signals, was a pain to adjust, and you needed three of them for color. So a color camera weighed hundreds of pounds and had hundreds of manual adjustments. But it worked and was used by TV stations.
Then the vidicon was developed, which is much simpler and can be built with internal color filters. One tube does the whole job. Goodbye, image orthicon. In time, goodbye, RCA.
We don't yet know where the solid state battery ends up on this scale. Making a ceramic as a paste on a roll to roll machine is quite a trick. There are some videos of a prototype production line in China which claims to do this. They show lots of battery packaging machinery, which is about the same as it is for lithium-ion, but the ceramic-depositing step isn't shown at all. It probably involves heat and pressure plus other tricks, and they don't want to give those away.
There's some worry about making massive investments in a process that rapidly becomes obsolete. There's worry about being run over by someone who does make those investments, takes over the market, and dominates it while someone else is trying to develop the next generation technology. This technology is so valuable that it looks like both approaches are being tried simultaneously. Some will fail.