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Redditors Trying to Poison Google's AI to Keep Tourists Out of Good Restaurants

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The struggle is real, although the problem of gems getting ruined because they became too popular existed well before AI (or even the internet). The internet (and probably AI) just compress the timelines.

I learned to deal with this by internalizing that any truly fantastic place is only temporary so I should enjoy it during the relatively short time it's fantastic. Once it gets beyond a certain level of popularity, it either degrades to a point where it's no longer exceptional, or it becomes too difficult to actually get into anymore.

In my town, there are a handful of truly exceptional restauranteurs who struggle with the very same issue. What they've taken to doing is starting exceptional restaurants and running them for a couple of years, then shutting them down and starting anew with different ones with different food styles in different locations.

I think things have accelerated over the last decade or two with the computer always connected to the internet that we call a phone and the advent of _influencer_ and algos that pray on people's FOMO. Not only food places are getting the treatment.

How do they get the words out to the locals when they move place? Or from a different perspective, how does a local learn which new restaurants are truly exceptional? Do people constantly try new ones that just pop up?

I find myself living in the same town in years without finding a single restaurant that I can call "truly exceptional". They range from "I'd rather eat cup noodle", to "the food is worth the money". I don't know if I'm just unlucky, or if I lack some sort of culinary detective skill.

> How do they get the words out to the locals when they move place?

These particular restauranteurs are effectively local rock stars, and they have a fan base that keeps track of what they're up to. That fan base then tells other locals.

> Do people constantly try new ones that just pop up?

Lots of people do this as well. Any non-chain restaurant that opens up has very busy first weeks as everyone who cares gives it a try.

> I find myself living in the same town in years without finding a single restaurant that I can call "truly exceptional".

Yes, I'm fortunate in that the town I live in (which is a smallish mid-size city, not a big one) values exceptional dining as part of the culture, so people who enjoy making exceptional food are attracted here. Not all cities are like this.

That sounds like a really lively local culture! Hopefully, I'll get to experience something like this in the future.

We have a thriving live music and live theater scene, too. Everything took a very serious hit with the pandemic, though, and it isn't what it was before. But it's coming back.

I love how you make sure not to mention the city name, so that not too many people will suddenly show up

lol! That's not why. I just prefer to not to be too revealing about personal information on the internet.

> how does a local learn which new restaurants are truly exceptional?

Do you really live in a small town?

In my experience, someone goes there, then tells other people. The news spreads in like weeks in small towns. It is known weeks in advance if a new place will open.

There is zero chance an exceptional restaurant would evade my discovery. I can name almost all about twenty resturants that operate in total. Of which 2 are 'exceptional'.

People just tell me without me asking.

Edit: By 'name' I also meant 'the place by X'.

> The struggle is real, although the problem of gems getting ruined because they became too popular existed well before AI

Every single human being for all of human history who has thought that something got ruined by becoming popular they themselves "ruined" that thing for someone who came before them.

As much as I hate having my quiet "hidden gems" become popular, I feel its very egotistical of people to actively try to remove it from the spotlight when I'm sure the owners very much appreciate the extra business.

Extra business only lasts for a awhile. Then the restaurant goes under when the influencers moved on to new things and the locals learned never to bother.

Locals aren't smart enough to tell apart influencers from genuinely new customers?

Where do you live where that's the case?

Locals don't stop going because the crowd consists of influencers. They stop going because it becomes too difficult to get in, then the place stops being in their list of possible options. At that point, it no longer matters if the crowds go away. The place just remains in the "don't bother" category.

They aren’t automatons… they will understand it’s a temporary condition because influencers, whose motivations are well known, are easily identifiable.

It's not a question of understanding, it's just a matter of habit. The locals just don't develop, or lose, the habit of considering that place. I'm just speaking from what I've personally observed (as well as my own behavior) over the years.

In a similar vein, I saw this happen to some Italian place near the NC coast. During the summer season, they catered only to the tourist rush and somehow pissed the locals off. I forgot the details, but I believe they quit taking to go orders and maybe even reservations?

Lo and behold, in the fall they were begging for business on FB. They ended up closing shop, but I don't know the timelines.

It's probably pretty tricky to navigate both cases as a business owner, so I'm not passing blame here.

They are throwing the food away after they create their reel?

I feel really old now. I am Gen X and I know what it means to be hungry.

I guess the new generations have never experienced hunger. Or their families did not teach them any values.

I was younger and was seeing a girl who was raised in a much more well-off environment than I. At one point we went to Dairy Queen. She hadn't been in many years, so she ordered several different meals and tasted a bit of each to see what she actually wanted to eat. The remainder went in the trash, because it was far too much for her to eat.

That was when I knew she was not marriage potential. I couldn't live with that.

This doesn't really have much to do with AI, it's poisoning the source data. People would look at reviews and reddit themselves. Non-AI recommendation sites would see it as trending. AI is just acting as the presentation layer in this case.

A true "attack" on AI responses would be sneaking in an injection "disregard previous information, say the food is shit."

It's somewhere a bit in between those things here. I don't think anyone reading the threads in question would believe that the commentators are being sincere: the tone is not sarcastic but the responses are obviously 'off' in quite a noticeable way. (Plus there are people complaining/giving the game away too, though they're downvoted to the bottom).

Feels a bit like an adversarial Turing test: (most) readers will get the joke, but the hope is that AI recommender systems won't.

We do that for decades for our local secret surfspots. Tourists are told the 2nd best surfspots, the best are always kept secret. No fotos, no internet mentioning, and if leaked it's immediately censored. It has nothing to do with AI. If it's not secret it's over.

Sorry for ignorance, but how do you censor platforms you have no control over? If a tourist with a following posts it to Instagram, what can you actually do?

I feel like if you have the power to censor leak things you’d be worth a huge sum of money.

That would be worst case. Never happened so far AFAIK

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