But this is the government failing! What's more, privatizing it to buddies with uncompetitive corrupt bidding processes and terrible contracts would also be government failure.
The parent poster you replied to is speaking about the first, and you are speaking about the second.
You didn't actually believe elected politicians all personally carry out the bidding and contract process and oversee the projects themselves, hopefully.
Then you said that it was the government which was responsible for doing that in the first place so that is evidence that the government is bad at its job.
I then pointed out that there are policy makers in government, and employees of government, and that the two have separate responsibilities.
Are you saying that employee corruption and private contracts are directly responsible for government agencies being given inadequate funding and staff so that they cannot be effective?
I seems to me that policy makers cutting the budget or not allocating enough of a budget for staffing would be responsible for this, and that private contracting is more of an effect of not being able to hire adequate staff.
The thread is right here to read. The attempted point was basically that privatization is bad, but the poster made up this convoluted scenario that seemed to miss the fact that this is a government service, and in any case horrible and corrupt privatization contracts are made by governments.
> Are you saying that employee corruption and private contracts are directly responsible for government agencies being given inadequate funding and staff so that they cannot be effective?
Also no. I'm saying what I wrote, no more or less.
> Also no. I'm saying what I wrote, no more or less.
> But this is the government failing!
So you are saying that defunding government is a government failure. Is there another way to read that?
I can't do all your work for you. If you want to say something, why don't you say it, instead of repeating 'the thread is there, read it' when you wrote one sentence and then refused any given interpretation of it.
It is like asking a child what they want and they repeat the same ambiguous thing over and over.
I have decided either you have no idea what you mean or you do not care to make it known, so, good luck with that.
That "scenario" of government incompetence and corruption makes for government waste and poor services yes. I didn't bring up anything unrelated.
> So you are saying that defunding government is a government failure. Is there another way to read that?
Trying to put words in my mouth and taking wild stabs in the dark or deliberately misconstructing what I am saying is not "doing all my work", lol. DOn't do the stupid internet arguing style of "Oh so you're saying ...". I'm saying what I'm saying, if you're unclear about it just ask a normal proper question.
What is the "this" that you are talking about?
The USFS, if properly funded, is perfectly capable (as history has shown) of maintaining our national parks.
If the idiots in DC don't continue to fund them properly (as they haven't been), and that causes problems, it doesn't mean the USFS is a failure and can't maintain our parks, and the only solution -- because "the government" failed at it -- is to privatize it.
That is, you can't say that "the entire machine of government" failed to self-manage the parks, but then say "the entire machine of government" was successful in privatizing the parks. (Especially considering the latter would end up in a disgusting capitalist failure anyway, but one that fiscal conservatives would cheer, because even though the parks would be an objectively worse experience for everyone, at least someone is making big money managing them.)