The range downgrade from initial presentation was the sole reason why I cancelled preorder and ended up with hybrid f150 instead.
The F150 and the Cybertruck is so far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. It makes 0 sense to me to say "I'm going with the F150 instead", because it's not the same class of vehicles.
I'm keen to understand what you were hoping to get out the Cybertruck, that you are now instead going to get from a hybrid F150, and why you did not consider the F150 in the first place.
And in a purely cosmetic take: even panel gaps and a finish that doesn't require hand-cleaning after it rains.
EDIT: Fixed 150 to 160 lbs to match manual.
manual says 1100 pounds
> A full sized bed.
Cybertruck's is bigger than the Lightning's
> Better visibility.
No clear win for either truck. Both have bad blind spots.
> Go offroad.
Clear win for Cybertruck after the locking diff software update.
"The hitch assembly is designed to support vertical loads up to 160 lb (72 kg). Exceeding this maximum weight can cause damage."
The CT bed is 6' by 4', the F150 has options at 5'5" (short bed), 6'5" (standard bed), and 8' (long bed). It's also universally wider than the CT's bed (albeit by only 2"), and the depth is greater at the tailgate, and consistent throughout.
As for blind spots, trucks suck, period. But the complete loss of the back window when the tonneau cover is closed is a major visibility issue. Yes, even with the rear view camera (which all vehicles have now). The A pillar in the front is also a larger issue for the CT vs the F150.
I have yet to see a single instance of a CT doing offroading that a Subaru Legacy couldn't do - I've seen more ford pickups towing CTs out of trouble to be honest. The weight and lack of articulation put the Cybertruck at an immediate disadvantage that no amount of power control can overcome.
But who knows, really. I'd say "not Tesla", but they did add that warning to the owner's manual...
A soccer mom doesn't need a truck in the same way a roofer needs a truck.
There are very obective criterias that you can use to determine if you need a city car, a sedan, a truck, a van, or a supersport car. It really isn't rocket science
I do find it weird how many people feel the need to justify a truck purchase as a necessity when it's clearly a luxury purchase, no different from buying a Lexus or Mercedes sedan because you want to.
It doesn’t make much sense to compare a hybrid with a “no gas” range of almost nothing [1] and a 1.5kwh battery to a fully electric vehicle
[1] https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/powerboosts-poll-how...
If I lived in an area where gas cost $20/gallon instead of $4/gallon, then it would change the math a little - it would be a net of more like $1300/yr, and I might actually spend less on an EV in the long run (7 years to break even, assuming 0 opportunity cost on the $9k).
If I spent $20/gallon on gas and also drove 12k miles / yr instead of 3k miles / yr, then it becomes a much better proposition.
Are they not both trucks? What am I missing in that they are not the same class of vehicle?
Now, if aesthetic is the primary factor here, the CB probably trumps the F150, by a huge margin, and one would not even consider something like the F150 as a suitable replacement or equivalent.
The GP in my thread decided to replace their designer high heels fashion statement for some boring hiking boots, because the heels did not fare well when walking long distances.
there is no accounting for taste, and IMO all teslas are ugly as sin
it's an ugly, overweight, overpriced meme car hyped by tech bros and internet bots. it can't truck, in any meaningful sense, and can't even handle carwashes. like a 2017 Mazda 3 is more rugged and reliable.
I am sorry, but you start with flawed premise and the rest doesn't make sense to me, actually. They both are vehicles with crew cab and bed, that are capable of hauling and towing stuff. They shape or the fuel type are not really relevant to me, like I don't care of the fuel type (diesel/gas) of a semi that I see on the road.
Let's compare 2023 F150 powerboost supercrew 6.5 bed with characteristics that I wanted and cybertruck tri motor (announced, https://static.wixstatic.com/media/3d2aca_ce63bacb1ff240228e...)
1. payload - f150: 2,120lbs, cybertruck: 3500 lbs 2. range - f150: 450+ cybertruck: 500+ 3. towing - f150: 12,700 cybertruck: 14000 4. bed - I wanted something longer than 6'1", so I can lay down in bed. That ruled out F150 short bed and rivian, but cybertruck was very close
Judging by numbers, that indicate real truck usage, cybertruck was close or exceeding F150, that is taken as baseline. If you want to draw some arbitrary classes and say that they are different, it's your right, but actually to me you make 0 sense saying "far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. " or "not the same class of vehicles".
Explain to me where they are different classes, actually. Fuel type to me is an implementation detail.
I am getting larger range and longer bed. If Ford had F150 lightning with 450+ range and 6.5 bed, I'd strongly consider it too.