So one thing a person could do would be to identify radio emitters and compare the rates of, say, cancer among people living within a certain radius. Even if the planet is awash in electromagnetic radiation the intensity drops off significantly according to the distance to the emitter. Large emitters are well-documented so it shouldn't be hard to find this information.
There are assumptions to that setup as well. There’s the assumtion that this effect is dependent on magnitude that you could measure easily within a certain drop off. Maybe the drop off point is quite far from these emitters or doesn’t even exist, and any such exposure is enough like a binary condition. Then there is the assumption that people living near large emitters today are always around them, and the assumption that people not living around large emitters never go off and spend time around them. I think there are many interesting questions like this where you just can’t ever get a reasonable design that is truly powered enough for all the potential latent variables involved. Modern science works well when the fruit is low hanging statistically, but thats not always the case for every question.
Right. But then you’re talking about something that could happen, or that could not. If you are thinking about something you do not observe, then not having any hypothesis as to how it could work makes the whole endeavour useless, to the level of the Russell teapot.
You could just as validly speculate that the pink colour is harmful because of Venus’ influence resonating with the water memory and justify your point of view with the same “there are things we don’t know” argument.
Two observations specifically on electromagnetic radiation:
- if this were actually a thing, we’d have seen the signal in epidemiological data, considering that WiFi has been around for 25 years and is used by ~billions of people, and cell phones are even older and more used
- we do know quite a lot about the effect of radiation on matter. We might not know everything there is to know, and biology adds a layer on top, but e.g. the energy transfer from some microwave radiation to biological tissue is limited by very well-known Physics.
We know that occasionally an atom gets knocked out of its position, and that even though most of the time it’s fine, it can occasionally cause problems, which is why UV sunlight is bad. We know how X or γ radiation interacts with matter and is more likely to affect molecules. Saying that “there are things we don’t know” is misleading in that the subject is actually very well known, even if we don’t know everything, particularly on the biology side.
It is perfectly valid to be skeptical by default. But in face of evidence and a solid body of knowledge, we should also be skeptical about our own skepticism.
> Modern science works well when the fruit is low hanging statistically, but thats not always the case for every question.
That is quite far from the truth. In reality it’s quite the opposite. Science is incremental, with occasional breakthroughs. But most of its progress is through constant grinding on tiny subjects, very far from low-hanging fruits. You have lots of different people, each one exploring their own ideas and hypotheses. In a field so important and popular as the effect of technology on human biology, there are thousands upon thousands of researchers competing, each one trying to find a better idea than their colleagues. This system is actually very good at exploring weird, goofy-sounding hypotheses because the reward is so important.
But what happens if 1 person in a million responds to Wi-Fi frequencies like nails on a chalkboard? It wouldn't need to actually be directly harmful.
Anyway, the way to start with your hypothesis is really simple. Relate the amount of relevant electromagnetic energy in the environment to whatever symptom you think it causes and measure the population for that symptom. Get people who exhibit the symptoms to places where that energy is absent (removed from society, in a Faraday cage, whatever). Check if the symptoms disappear. It doesn't have to disappear completely, just gradually. If you believe that even the slightest amount of EM radiation will still have an effect, so a test free of it is practically impossible, I have a surprise for you.
If symptoms vanish just because you disabled the power LED, then that tells you something else is going on.
I don't know that water absorbs normal radio frequencies. Above 1GHz or so, it starts to absorb, but the effect is heating, nothing else. Having a mobile phone next to your head increases the temperature in nearby brain tissue a little bit, so it's hard to image that the low power frequencies can do anything else but increase the temperature very, very lightly, something which the body can deal with effectively.
I don't see it.
And note that it doesn't have to be all EM energy--sensitivity to one common frequency plus a lack of understanding of what's happening could explain it.
https://www.sciencealert.com/birds-see-magnetic-fields-crypt...
Some aboriginal people never developed the concept of left and right, instead using cardinal directions. I've heard that a few can even tell such directions in total darkness, but am having a hard time finding a source for that. I suspect that humans once had similar EM sensitivity to birds in the same way we once had senses of smell that rivaled dogs, and that these traits may randomly resurface in a handful of people.
Either way, we evolved on a planet orbiting a giant fusion reactor spitting out EMF. The ones that are close to the limits we call "ionizing" are widely used by life, because evolution was able to take advantage of interactions between chemistry and physics. The frequencies far away from that line simply aren't used by life because there's no viable mechanism for chemistry to interact with them. That's the same reason RF is considered harmless.
it's an easy conclusion to get to just from the basis of what the human body does : we breath and exchange air -- that's plain for anyone to see , so we try to avoid breathing particles. We know that looking at the sun injures the eye -- we can see the evidence when looking at a patient. We know that fire burns the skin.
The human body has junctions and functionality that actually interact with energy at those levels.
Similarly we know what injuries from intense EM radiation look like, and it's not vague chronic fatigue syndrome-like symptoms, and it isn't caused by bombardment by non-interactive low power levels of differing frequencies and sources.
> Everyone on earth is exposed to radiowaves, so to establish a demographically matched control population to a radio wave laden case population is simply impossible
it's not impossible whatsoever to block all 'radiowaves' ; it's impractical and needless, so the study isn't being conducted by anyone that matters.
p.s. lead is a piss-poor 'radiowave vault' material compared to copper/steel/aluminum.
It's actually even easy to "block all radiowaves" until all that remains is background noise of a level not dissimilar to that experienced by humans since forever... see TFA itself for technically an example. And yet we are yet to find any person who can reliable distinguish RF "interference"...
My body is constantly radiating about 120 watts worth of photons, with energies up to about 10^-1 eV. I'm constantly glowing with non-ionizing radiation that I emit as a natural side-effect of living, producing vastly more energy than any wireless device you're likely to encounter.
There's just no plausible mechanism by which a small quantity of low-energy photons could be more harmful than the far greater number of higher-energy photons you're exposed to in literally any environment compatible with human life. If you fear WiFi, you should be terrified of heat and light. Radio waves aren't a mysterious force summoned up by man, they're a tiny portion of the cacophony of electromagnetic radiation that we're exposed to by literally every speck of matter in the universe.
I'm not saying that is or isn't true, but at least argue against the right thing.
Or let's just say https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise
Maybe we evolved to handle some 'colors' better, and that artificial stuff just hits us like a jackhammer, even if it's 'weak'?