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“Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.”—Mark Zuckerberg

"Pray I don't alter it any further."

You get free unlimited photo storage, free groups, events, messaging, status updates, and more. All your friends are on it and using it. You use it to keep in touch with people around the block and around the globe in real time.

All we ask is that your private communications never again leave this application. Perhaps you think you’re being treated unfairly?

There's a difference between complaining about features within Facebook (timeline, etc) and changes Facebook tries to make outside of it's app. Changing your personal contact details is way outside.

Not sure how the facebook app integrates with the contact list, but isn't it only a projection of information that facebook servers publish? I.e. it's not "your personal contact details", but rather an entry that you accepted as being presented by facebook?

It would be disturbing if they changed an existing entry that you created yourself, but if it's only an entry bound to an external (facebook) account, I'm not sure it's that bad. Which one is it then?

Facebook will fix this embarrassing cock-up as if it had never happened - as always. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1998-12-02/

December 2nd, 1998? I'm curious how you had that handy. Have you always liked this comic and finally found a relevant place for it? Was it something you vague remembered and Googled it?

Dilbert has full text search. Remember part of any phrase from a relevant comic, and you can find it in short order. Not sure how the grand-parent poster found it of course.

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-02-11/

Also, "break things".

That doesn't speak too well of his design ability.

Let me see now. They have pushed their email address out into people’s address books and taken control of their private communications.

Where is the poor (business) design?

Where is the poor (business) design?

You'll see this when people start recognizing Facebook as the crap it really is, and stop using it.

Eventually and maybe even sooner then most think, fb will become jet another dinosaur. It's just a matter of time. Fly dinosaur, fly :-)

I know increasing numbers of people who are either walking away from it completely or largely disengaging, many of whom are people who'd be seen in the sort of groups usually marked out as trend setters, those whose behaviour tends to be copied by others down the line.

I don't think it's going to disappear, but it does feel as though it's reaching something of a peak.

Possibly, but just for the sake of an interesting discussion, what is there about this particular blatant “It screws users over but it's good for Facebook” move that is different than all the other moves they’ve pulled?

I think the difference here is that everything they've done before now has been more or less bounded by my own actions. If they screw my privacy, it's my own damned fault for posting sensitive stuff to their site. Hell, even if they track me around the web, I should've been more careful about blocking their cookies.

But this is another ballgame. What they've done here is effectively hijack a completely unrelated and ubiquitous communication channel — without any action on my part, and without giving any indication of doing so!

I don't even use Facebook, but since I created a Facebook account at some point in the past, they potentially have access to my inbound email traffic. That's just absurd and stupid.

I don't mean to defend them because this move is stupid, but to help you get this back in control: you can go you your about page and set the @facebook email to be hidden. I had done this in the past and they didn't touch it.

No, that's the problem here: I had definitely hidden my @facebook email address (setting it to be visible to only me) when it was first created. After a number of people posted this story, I found that the email address was suddenly the only one showing. That's what is so nefarious about this. I had to go and reselect the options I had already chosen, and the only reason I noticed it was because of the press. Really slimy.

I, as well, have set the @facebook.com address as hidden and set my normal address as visible and public. After the story broke I found my usual address "hidden from timeline" and the @facebook.com address visible.

Does this fix any device synchronization problems, where someone you know had their record of your e-mail address changed to the @facebook one automatically?

It doesn't seem to be clear, as I write this, exactly what is going on there and how much is completely automatic/without consent vs. how much was "expected" behaviour. It's pretty clear that a lot of people aren't happy about it regardless, though. Even if some contact originally got onto your phone via integration with a third party service, that could have been years ago. If you weren't aware that the contact was only remaining there/unmodified because the third party chose to leave it that way, it's understandable that you might be upset if that changed without warning after a long time.

I've avoided installing any facebook mobile apps out of fear of specifically this kind of thing. I'm much more comfortable keeping it quarantined in a web browser, away from my real contacts list, even if that browser interface is comparatively sluggish and unusuable.

I've been waiting for people to stop watching reality TV too.

Still waiting.

LOL

Just to be clear, that quote is from Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars), not really Zuckerberg

Oh, I see. That speaks well of raganwald's wit and sarcasm.

That speaks well of Palpatine's design then.

They're two separate people?

Always two there are, no more, no less: a master and an apprentice.

his business card also said "I'm CEO, Bitch."

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