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What's the deal with cynical, low effort comments like this that add nothing to the discussion? There's obviously more to the story than what you're saying. HackerNews is supposed to be for discussion, not Reddit-tier snark. Comments like yours are just visual pollution.

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I mean, you've got to look at the context. This isn't happening in a vacuum; they've been promising this any minute now for the last eight years. At a certain point, the benefit of the doubt becomes strained, and every ostensible delay starts to look like a delaying tactic.

>What's the deal with cynical, low effort comments like this that add nothing to the discussion?

People are starting to wake up to the (shitty) new reality that Big Tech created for us. The cynical nature is just the natural reaction to a serial grifter becoming the world's richest man.

I don't think anyone but the most naive actually believes anything in this PR piece will come to market.

Oh yeah, look at all the terrible things Tesla has done, sell more EVs than everyone else, and make them for less cost, and include a good infotainment system in a car, what a terrible reality

Yeah this place feels like Reddit right now. Hivemind takes left and right.

Yes. Sadly, it's always been this way. Look up the response posts to Dropbox, Ethereum, .. Every few years I'm like "I think it's gotten worse" and then I'm like "I'm going to spin up some sentiment analysis to prove it's gotten worse" and then I read some old posts and I'm like "I miss jacquesm, but nah it's pretty much the same." And then I think "this is still the best forum on the internet."

Look at your post. Hivemind is an easy way to handwave common sentiment, perhaps even perception. This meta-commentary can be insightful. Yet.

The future I was promised was utopian, and instead my appliances all play ads and spy on me, and the robber barons at the top of the heap will use their billions that they got selling my personal data to advertising scum to leave legacy trusts that will continue to erode the fabric of society and increase wealth disparity long after said billionaires are dead and buried.

But sure, your Tesla has a good infotainment system so that's cool.

Which Tesla car plays ads?

Which CEO is leaning into far-right conspiracy theories and using Twitter to boost the electoral chances of the most dangerous US presidential candidate in history?

The Twitter that's barely used by anyone and thus isn't important?

Surely they should be using facebook, that's already proven to be great at helping with genocides

Move the goalposts any further and they'll be beyond the horizon from where I stand.

The simple fact is that Musk is a bad actor, an asshole with a huge ego, with a history of over promising and under delivering.

Is it so surprising to you that the supremely-unlikeable boy who cried wolf is being met with cynical skepticism?

Tesla doesn't sell more EVs than everyone else, BYD does.

Tesla has sold about 6.5 million cars at least.

BYD sold 131k in 2020, 321k in 2021, 911k in 2022, 1.6million in 2023, and in 2024 q1: 300k q2: 444k q3: 443k, total: 4.15 million

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