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Pro-palestine activists: https://x.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1844080692772401399 & https://x.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1844104165192253945

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Or, equally valid, pro-zionist activists who want something that is normally easily accessible in the IA to be censored.

>They are under attack because the archive belongs to the USA, and as we all know, this horrendous and hypocritical government supports the genocide that is being carried out by the terrorist state of “Israel”.

Ah yes, known arm of the US military-industrial complex, The Internet Archive

...or someone attempting to blame palestinian activists. This smells a lot more like someone trying to ape activist language.

It may not even be that nefarious — perhaps they did the hack “for the lulz” then had pangs of conscience afterward and scrabbled around for a (false) excuse.

In any case, the IA was in some cases the only public host of important documents about Palestinian history, which are currently inaccessible, to say nothing about how important the Wayback Machine has been over the past year.

Sounds more like they hacked it for the lulz and then put up the tweets for even more lulz. Attacking the IA to support palestine is about as nonsensical as you can get.

There is a lot of embarassing pro-Zionist material archived on IA, but scrubbed elsewhere from the Internet:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=zionist...

So just to play devils advocate, since Zionism is being critically received all across the Internet - it is more likely that IA was attacked in order to censor those materials, and then a sockpuppet was created to shift the blame to pro-palestinian voices - which makes no sense, since pro-palestinian voices would want IA to stay up so that embarassing Zionist material was made more available - but such is the nature of agitprop campaigns during war time: through subterfuge and obfuscation, deny your enemy the materials it requires to continue its campaigns, and also deny them the ability to identify the cause of that material going missing, also - or, at the very least, obfuscate the actors responsible for denying it, using sockpuppetry ..

Is there more embarrassing pro-Zionist material on IA than there is embarrassing pro-Palestine (for lack of a better term for whatever "the opposite" is) material?

I would not know a mathematically accurate response to this question - but I did see a lot of references to embarrassing pro-Zionist (i.e. historically racist, colonialist, pro-Zionist) materials at the IA in the last week in various other forums, which are now no longer able to discuss the materials as they are unavailable.

If there is "pro-Palestinian" materials at the IA, I would imagine it being based on materials collected over the past year documenting the genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity being committed against them.

There is a definite effort to censor any and all reporting of Israeli crimes against humanity on the Internet - IA was probably a last refuged for those collecting this material.

Actually, there's plenty of obnoxious "pro-Palestinian" material out there as well, glorifying Operation al-Aqsa Flood, "martyrs" from other random attacks on civilians, not to mention the propaganda that there's no such thing as "Israeli civilian" anyway, and so forth. There's no need to go looking for it on the IA because they're quite proud of this stuff and are churning it out constantly. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41692193

BTW I'm a non-Zionist and strongly opposed to the occupation, etc. So please don't make any assumptions that I'm a hasbarist coming at you with their usual stuff. The depressingly tragic fact of this conflict is that there are legions of assholes and extremely naive, easily manipulated people on all sides.

i hate how Zionism has become a bad word, like it's some world domination conspiracy theory. as a Zionist myself, it's not at all likely that IA was attacked to take down Zionist-related material as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel. on the contrary, I would like for them to stay up and be archived for all eternity.

what is more likely is that these pro-Palestinian hacktivists are once more engaging in misplaced activism, targeting those they perceive as tied to Israel, regardless of whether those targets have any direct connection. just see the boycott movements... they're boycotting Gal Gadot, McDonalds, and Starbucks

> as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel

Yes, but they should be.

I don't think anything will ever be embarrassing to the Genocidal regime. And no damage will be done either, as long as its creators-protectors goes out of their way to protect it.

i'm keeping an open mind. if you can cite them here, that'd be helpful.

>i hate how Zionism has become a bad word

What do you consider worse? The Genocide of the people of Gaza and the occupation? Or that the Zionism is now a bad word?

what i consider the worse is October 7 when Israel was attacked by the terrorists Hamas. if you can condemn Hamas, then we can have a conversation

Can you condemn the atrocities of October 6th?

This isn't some 4D-chess. Reads more like you feel attacked because they share the same opinion as you and you just want to deflect.

Both tweets have received a community note disproving this.

The note currently displayed to my account disputes the claims made in the linked tweet (that the Internet Archive is run by the US government(???)), not the supposed motivation of the attackers.

That said, this just seems to me like the attackers are trying to come up with some justification after the fact to explain why they would go after something as universally beloved as the Internet Archive. Actual pro-Palestine activists are not happy, eg (strong language): https://x.com/Aldanmarki/status/1844155616199413969

The current community notes I see on these tweets just basically say: the Internet Archive is not part of the US government.

You should actually read what the notes say.

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