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There is no shortage of people complaining about RoR today. [1][2]

Also, does the word "ghetto" ring any bells?

Not that I think Python solves all the problems well either. I'm a fan of Lua, personally, but only because it's a much cleaner language design, and it's faster, and it's easier to set up, and it's easier to write Node.js-style code that's easier to read, and... well, I guess there are a few reasons.

[1] http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321....

[2] http://techcrunch.com/2008/05/01/twitter-said-to-be-abandoni...

> Don't take it personally, but I've seen a lot of confirmation bias from ex-PHP developers.

> Often from developers who may, thanks to language Y, write more elegant code on the line / function level, but still create the same architectural mess as they did before in PHP.

That's a longer-winded version of "You Can Write FORTRAN in Any Language". Certainly nothing exclusive or even particularly unique to PHP or PHP programmers.

If whats around 5-10 years from now represents the same improvement RoR has made over PHP in the last 5 years, we better be mad when developers working on team projects try to perpetuate RoR's use.