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YouTube puts a Strike for showing how to setup Jellyfin

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> Thank you for your appeal. We've determined that your content Better than Disney+: Jellyfin on my NAS doesn't violate Community Guidelines. Your content is now live and any related strikes have been removed.

I don't see an apology, nor an indication that there will be corrective action towards whatever initiated this.

Martin Seligman’s famous experiments with dogs involved exposing them to unpredictable and uncontrollable electric shocks. After being subjected to random shocks, the dogs eventually stopped trying to escape, even when escape became possible. This led to the theory of learned helplessness, where individuals (or animals) stop attempting to change their situation because their efforts have been ineffective in the past.

In my opinion, YouTube’s inconsistent moderation is intentional. It fosters learned helplessness in creators, causing them to stop contesting penalties and simply comply. The unpredictability of penalties leads to self-censorship, as creators try to avoid further punishment, even without understanding why their content is penalized. This fear of random consequences drives passive compliance and penalizes "wrong-think".

Its generous to think that YouTube's consideration for its creators rises anywhere even near the level of 'dog'.

Update - The strike was taken back https://x.com/geerlingguy/status/1841487314440061273?s=46

Only because it was Jeff Geerling, which is another different problem youtube has. There is nobody to lobby on behalf of the smaller creators.

Not sure about this particular instance. LTT got a video taken down by community guidelines violation just the other day, and they are much bigger than Jeff.

URL for same post content, by same person, but on non-walled-garden platform: https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113238336137663347

I really wish there was a viable alternative to YouTube. But its network effects prevent real competition, since content creators depend on users and monetization.

How does that help with YT's network effects?

Though I can see the oversimplifation the parent post did, they have a point.

What are YouTube's network effects? Discoverability and deliverability.

You can overcome the deliverability challenge with a CDN of your choosing.

The discoverability issue can be worked out by good SEO and POSSE[0] principles.

Yeah, it's not the same, but you own your media. Freedom costs money.

You can't/Don't want to pay? be subjected to Google.

This is still a free world. Free as in freedom, just not free as in free beer.

[0]: https://indieweb.org/POSSE

I would argue that YT's network effect is producers, consumers, and content, which are in a feedback loop: Users default to youtube, because it has the most content. It has the most content because producers upload there. Producers upload there because it's where the users are. You can spend money on either the producer or consumer side, but it doesn't break the cycle.

If only there was some website which could find, and gleam metadata from videos, and provide such info in a list, with a text based query.

Oh wait! Google!

Well surely as an independent search engine with no desire to exhibit anti-trust practices, they do spend as much time developing algos for scraping for independent video.

And as a search engine, working with webmasters to provide easy scraping of metadata, and better integration into their search results.

And ranking it higher than youtube when sensible.

Right?

If that is what you need then the alternatives are TikTok and Instagram

Depends on whose problem you're trying to solve. Jeff Geerling probably transcends YouTube. His followers would go with him if he hosted video elsewhere. The value of YouTube is it gives the millions of other people trying to be Jeff Geerling the illusion that they too might someday have success like that.

It's not like any specific platform created celebrities. People making this kind of content with these kinds of followings existed before. Someone like Bob Vila was the Jeff Geerling of 40 years ago. The difference is then you needed to win the blessing of a television studio. Today, you need to win the lottery of dumb luck to go viral and you still need the blessing of whatever opaque algorithms YouTube uses to surface specific videos. For whatever reason, people with channels feel like they're more likely to do that compared to getting their own television show, presumably because it's at least easier to publish something nobody will watch rather than trying to pirate broadcast your own stream on airwaves you don't have a license for.

I don't think it's the network effects on the user side that is the real problem for YT. I saw a creator do a breakdown YT vs a bunch of other options and YT by far pays better per view. That would be the actual problem because if other platforms paid the same it's almost zero cost for a creator to post on both and see what happens. With YT paying a lot more every view elsewhere is a loss. That would make this a classic raising rivals cost competitive moat strategy not a network effects thing.

Doesn't work without commercial large players such as Cloudflare, S3 or Akamai backing you either.

IME, even if you're "just" hosting a website for a car dealership and have a video showing a tour of the shop, it will end up being targeted. Misconfigured spiders hitting the video again and again and AGAIN, probably to harvest it for AI training, legitimate DDoS attacks just using videos as something efficient to cause you large bandwidth costs...

If you were to rebuild YouTube, aka not just hosting your own cat photos and videos like with a blog, but also the social element, it gets even worse. All the problems from above, plus you gotta deal with regular spammers and scammers now, plus PPV-porn spammers, PLUS all the CSAM spreaders who are constantly looking for new ways to host their shit in the clearnet.

You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself.

> You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself.

People do it all the time though, but maybe your point was more about self-hosting popular sites.

Same. If there is any benefit to any of it, it is that it forced to re-evaluate some of my habits. Videos I consider useful in the future, I save now ( some unraid setup, some sciency stuff ).

That said, I am not looking at it from content creator perspective at all, which is part of the problem, because I am relatively certain that Google does not do it either.

Decentralise the tube

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