The True Weight of Medieval Weapons – Fact and Fiction
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For example, here's a practice sword that has 1/16th in (1.6mm!) thick edges: https://www.reliks.com/functional-european-swords/practical-...
With the degree of difference in edge thickness, you can probably see how the cross section of a sword (and therefore its weight) will vary substantially, especially if you keep the maximum thickness about the same.
It's absolutely possible to craft these types of swords that are both safe and well approximate the real shapes and weights and handling of a "real" sword. But it's also easy to just... go for look and safety to try to save money.
$10 halloween costume prop? Hollow plastic, super light.
Training weapon for self defence against knife attacks? Solid plastic, several times the thickness of a real knife, probably bright blue.
Olympic fencing weapons, which simulate duelling? Pretty light, you only need a light touch to score a point and bending is desirable.
Live Action Role Play where they want to whack each other, but not hard? Anime cosplay? They mostly go for foam-covered plastic which is kinda light, but they're often thick and also they often simulate unrealistically large weapons, so they can end up kinda heavy.
Ornamental/replica things that are just for show? Could go either way. You could make an extra-light sword out of aluminium, or an extra-heavy ornate dagger out of pewter. Less steel means a lower material and shipping cost - but a bit more heft that feels realistic to buyers might get you better product reviews.
Apparently some HEMA/renaissance fair folk wear full suits of metal armour, metal longswords that are blunt-but-authentically-weighted, then try to whack each other pretty hard? Looks like concussion city to me.
Forget Under Armour. Let’s go for Over Armor.
I have a full hauberk which goes to my knees with long sleeves. It weighs 6-ish kilo. Add a kilo for the coif. A decently made late medieval full plate armour is maybe 15-ish kilo complete with helmet. The heaviest armours are probably late 14th century armours. They are essentially an almost full plate over a (partial or full) maille hauberk. Some are maybe 25 kilo. That's still a lot less than the 40 or so kilo that modern soldiers lug around.
https://takknife.com/collections/keen-edge-aluminum-training...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJypHnsEn8o
Maybe that is what you saw.
The ‘large’ weapons are excessively heavy, but players can be a lot stronger than actual humans.
The comments regarding Game of Thrones blurb don't make much sense either. At no point in that quote does Syrio claim that Westerosi swords are unreasonably heavy or that knights are clumsy. But a knight in full plate with a longsword is certainly much less agile than someone with a rapier and no armour.
No, that's not really true either.
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Because the weight is distributed and carefully balanced and the parts are fitted to the wearer's body. It does in fact matter how it's made, it's not a backpack.
I admit I could have put more effort into my response, but at this point you're not going to spend 30 seconds to even look it up?
Here is a video of people doing cartwheels in full plate armor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc
The difference in agility seems marginal if it exists at all. I would certainly advise anyone, if they ever had to bet their life on it, to assume a fully armored foe is not inhibited in their agility. Maybe crawl into a very tight space if you must.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a25644619...
“Just so. Now we will begin the dance. Remember, child, this is not the iron dance of Westeros we are learning, the knight’s dance, hacking and hammering, no. This is the bravo’s dance, the water dance, swift and sudden. All men are made of water, do you know this? When you pierce them, the water leaks out and they die.” He took a step backward, raised his own wooden blade. “Now you will try to strike me.”
Which is a direct reference to the myth of heavy and unweildy longsword.
Whether George Martin himself believes the myth or merely made Syrio misinformed, is anybody's guess.
Also, no, knight in full plate with a longsword is not certainly much less agile than someone with a rapier and no armor. He will be somewhat less agile... if the level of training is equal... but neither longsword nor armor are so heavy that they will significantly limit agility.
Main issue with full suit of plate is actually overheating and tiring out sooner due to added weight and insulation (and possibly restricted breathing depending on the helmet).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-sword
> Half-sword is used for leverage advantage when wrestling with the sword, as well as for delivering a more accurate and powerful thrust. Both of these are critical when fighting in plate armour because a slice or a cleaving blow from a sword is virtually useless against iron or steel plate.
Remind me who history is written by.
> We say that history is written by the winners. That is sometimes true.
For example, the article says that if Churchill had not been thrown out of power at the end of WW II, his history of that war would never have been written. I'm not sure that's actually true--Churchill had done plenty of writing before that and probably would have found time to write such a history later on anyway. But even if it's true, it doesn't mean that we would be without any history of WW II if Churchill had remained in power. There are plenty of other histories of that war, including ones which take very different viewpoints from Churchill's.
But even leaving that aside: yes, Churchill "lost" in the sense that his party lost the election in 1945. But that does not make Churchill a loser in WW II itself, nor does it make his history of that war a history written by a loser. Indeed, his history of WW II, as far as I can tell, says nothing about his loss of the Prime Ministership or the party that defeated him. It talks about his own leadership during the war, which, at least as far as keeping Britain from being conquered and reclaiming Western Europe was concerned, was a victory, not a loss.
The example of Thucydides also isn't as simple as the article makes it out to be. Yes, Thucydides was originally an Athenian and fought on the Athenian side, i.e., the side that would eventually lose, in the Peloponnesian War. But Thucydides was exiled from Athens long before that war ended and Athens fell from power--and where did he settle? In the Peloponnese, i.e., in the domain of Sparta. In other words, he wasn't writing his history of the war as a losing Athenian. Sure, his portrayal of people he personally interacted with, particularly people he lost battles to, is going to reflect his own interests, but that's not the same as the entire history being a history written by a loser.
Even the article's main example, Sima Qian, isn't that simple. The article makes it seem like Sima Qian's history was mainly about the emperor who had him castrated. But his history actually covered more than two thousand years. Whatever is in it regarding that one emperor is only a small part of the whole. (And it's arguable that Sima Qian didn't even end up as a loser in the Chinese court of his own time; after being released from prison he had a highly paid job as a palace eunuch.)
Also wasn't it shown in a black and white film of one Shakespeare's plays (Henry V?).
A knight actually beats a soldier (who is carrying a similar weight and 10 years his junior) across an obstacle course in this short film 'Obstacle Run in Armour': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAzI1UvlQqw
One problem that D&D and videogames have, is that weight in lbs is a pretty poor simulation of the burden involved. The sheer bulk or lack of proper carrying opportunities seems factored in a bit into several RPGs, even those where you can carry 111 spears in your backpack.
The (vastly underrated) tabletop RPG RuneQuest once ditched "lbs" and went with a more abstracted "encumbrance" (ENC) statistic. And of course lots of videogames plus several tabletop games go with a slot- or grid-based inventory as a main or secondary source of being overburdened.
Weapon weights and similar issues (too short rapiers, non-existant back scabbards) seem to be the "not every weapon is a AR-15/mind your trigger discipline" of the HEMA crowd.
That's what magic items like the Efficient Quiver are for. :-)
You didn't club it, but bashed it down with a swing.
Also, the Middle Ages weren't as dirty as you think, the British wrote a Black Legend about them. The 20th century movies didn't help neither. I'm not talking about Monty Python, but the supossedly serious dramas set on that era.
For instance, I'm pretty sure the 13-14th centuries were completely different to the 8th or 9th ones in technology, development and culture.
This thinking school was almost in the Enlightenment era, but we can perfectly place it at the end of the Middle Ages as the kickstart of the modern rights born in the Enlightenment:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca
And, of course, before these there were the Italians and the Humanist movement.
Also maybe to crush down infantries under a rush.
Antiquity and Renaissance were both overcrowded, urbanized, with bad living conditions and worse food.
No antibiotics, modern sanitation, internet, refrigeration orcentral heating, not much education, massive infant mortality and no way to travel faster than a horse. I don't see how that equates a high quality of life.
Would you swap places with them - given that you are far more likely to be a serf than an aristocrat?
All and all, your objections a) completely miss the point and b) are kinda weird.
Also, you are wrong. Meat stews were not just eaten, but the mainstay of the medieval peasants diet: https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2019/may/medieval-peasant-die...
Anything too light means that the force is dispersed in soft tissue, leaving surface bruises. That added inertia of some extra weight at the end causes the energy of the swing to transfer deeper to bone.
I doubt you'll get a scientifically derived number of any certainty, but I'd hazard a guess at two pounds or so at a minimum, and that would need some careful aim to be debilitating.