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Comment by sabareesh | Hacker News Reader

If so good why are you selling it as a service ?

I expect the long term CAGR for the top models to be in the 20-40% annual range. That's certainly high enough to get wealthy over a couple decades, or sooner if you are already starting with 8 figures, but it's not overnight Roaring Kitty style fast money. Grizzly Bulls' growing revenue helps even out my overall income, and I could definitely see it growing to $10M+ ARR over the long term, very significant even with a 9 figure net worth.

The models are not HFT. Swing-trading the most liquid instrument in the world (ES futures) has extremely high strategy capacity, well into the billions or perhaps 10s of billions, so selling signals does not (currently) in any way negatively impact my own returns.

The alternative would be to start a hedge fund, but that's an expensive and highly regulated endeavor that appeals to a different audience.

> selling signals

could this have any legal risks, e.g. your clients will sue you for manipulations and causing losses to them? Is this a valid business at all from SEC standpoint?

We have the standard disclaimers in the TOS. Essentially, Grizzly Bulls is not a financial advisor, offers no financial advice, and only sells access to signals generated by proprietary models, not the underlying source code for the models. How subscribers choose to use those signals is entirely at their own discretion. There are hundreds of similar businesses out there, and really signals are no different than buy/sell ratings published by more mainstream sites like Seeking Alpha or Morningstar.

All that said, subscribers have generally been happy with Grizzly Bulls' service as evidenced by our low churn rate, especially for the higher tiers.

It would make more sense to start a fund.

Could you explain why?

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