Map with public fruit trees
mundraub.org
mundraub.org
I encountered something like this when I planted a row of red currents at the front of our property. My mother-in-law said "You can't plant those there, people will take the fruit" whereas my thinking was "If I plant these here, people can take the fruit"
You know you live in a small town when, if you leave your windows rolled down in your car at the supermarket, you come back out to find a bag of zucchini on your front seat.
Americans would rather see food thrown away than taken by somebody they feel doesn't 'deserve' it.
My neighborhood has a small park that features a pear tree and a plethora of frost grapes. My wife and I are of a conservationist bent, so we monitor the plants in the park for any bad news and help keep the trails manicured. I can say that pear tree and grapes are both used wisely and with others in mind, as people from the neighborhood show up to take only what they need. One lady does take a lot, but she makes terrific jams then passes them around.
It's quite a positive culture around this park, and it was in place long before we moved there. It also goes against everything I otherwise tend to experience with my fellow Americans, namely greed and gluttony of consumerism.
Do you think a person who really needs to eat right now and the only option is picked fruit can also be the person who has access to a website with fruit tree map and a car to get there?
However, that's less about deserving it, and more about the food being taken for someone's personal profit.
I also think most people would be happy for the food to go to those in need, but then for make reasons we have laws or business policies that forbid it... Starbucks doesn't want to pay 10 million dollars because an employee gave a homeless person food they we're allergic to... We do love lawsuits here..
I remember the last company I worked for that tried the whole "Free food if you stay a little late" thing. They'd buy a few boxes of pizzas and set them out int he break room with the expectation that you'd take a slice or two. Well, of course, eventually one or two people started taking entire boxes home for themselves and then that "perk" inevitably ended.
Yeah this sounds bad. If the company stops giving “free” pizza bc/ someone takes not 1/8 of a pizza but 1 pizza, then you know how much they value, or rather do not value your time.
Hard to see how a manager could be this inept.
Same mentality is why we can't leave a basket of unattended candy outside the house on Halloween, for Trick-Or-Treaters to share: Inevitably someone will just take the whole basket. It's not about the cost of the candy, it's about not enabling jerks.
When in your local park there are no benches to sit because half of them were dismantled and sold for scrap (true story) you can think how government spends too little on park maintenance or policing, or you can think how people are being selfish jerks to each other.
You just described most AI companies.
By the way if you know how plants grow and spread "get eaten by humans and pooped into sewer" is not always the best reproduction strategy and so throwing away is not always a waste.
And judging that some people don't deserve something is not always wrong unless you are philosophical extremist. If you have so many fruit trees around that anyone in need can pick one any time you probably don't live in an area where a map of fruit trees is useful. It's catch-22 isn't it?
You are missing the point - ofcourse those people exist, some people don’t deserve to breathe, think terrible crimes
The problems are:
1 - you are so preoccupied with that 1 guy who ‘does not deserve’ does not get free fruit, that you make life worse for 1,000 people who do
2 - are you the right person to judge who ‘deserves’ and who ‘doesn’t’. Who is the right person to judge? What if they are wrong? Who judges the judges?
Though I guess some of you here would say supporting such people with public property is a bad idea. Let's give the fruit to a guy with an online fruit tree map and a car instead.
When I was a child we would go on trips to pick mushrooms and fruit with family. As I grew older more often there was less and less or nothing left to pick in accessible places. Locals know a "secret place" (not really) but then someone puts it up online for internet points and whoosh.
Not a problem for us, we didn't really need them (middle class), it was far enough away of the town that it does not hurt a random hungry person, we could just drive around intil we find another place (was getting more and more difficult already 15 years ago). But not everyone is as lucky
Just move to Alberta[0].
He still regrets not planting it further away from the street, unreachable to shitty people.
Public? Free? Pschht, everyone knows that what's outside the fence is free for the taking!
But there were also tons of fruit trees in nature in the city. Went jogging one time at a jogging trail, saw chanterelles in the forest, came back with my t-shirt full of tasty, tasty mushrooms.
If you've grown up with always being able to pick fruits and berries and mushrooms in nature, maps like this are so weird. Why would you need a map? Nature is full of it?
Oh, you're not allowed? Oh, you can't access it? Oh, there aren't any around, really? How sad.
Food arrives at the grocery store: perfectly checked, standardized, quality controlled, and ready to consume. /s
Only if there is a problem. /s
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X2...
Commercially its a different story. Trees are planted and pruned to maintain easy harvesting. They are sprayed and rodents managed, as well as being overall outproduced by the yield on the farm. Fruit trees are a lot of work. Even literal money growing on trees would be work, against what the saying might imply.
This is a big issue. Every bush and tree I've added to my yard is a learning experience about what "ripe" means and when to harvest. The bright red plums are enticing to the eye but bitter and chalky. Perfect blue blueberries that taste like lemons.
Finally no fruit ...just pollen everywhere. (Good luck with allergies)
Afaik, most of them are vestigial instruments left over from master planned development financing, that gave the developers X years of voting control in order to recoup some part of their investment.
Where we've got it wrong is that only thing we have in common is a shared interest in how the market perceives us, and since markets are batshit crazy, we end up doing crazy things like maintaining a lawn in a drought just for the aesthetics of it. If there were actually something we had in common, like I dunno a lathe or something, there would be something with practical considerations around which to anchor HOA policy.
(bias note: I don't live in an HOA, but my friends seem to hate it an I'm offended by the lack of character/sense in the HOA-governed neighborhoods that surround mine.)
From what I heard, their level of tyranny would give most dictators a worthy challenge.
I think most people around here don't know that they're edible and anyway that fruit is somewhat of a hassle to pick and prepare, but anyway once they're ripe they fall on the sidewalk and on cars, staining everything red, making the sidewalks slippery and leaving seeds behind. And there's no wild life to speak of, maybe some rats but not many, and birds don't seem to eat the fallen fruit. Wasps do, but it's not a positive point.
There's no soil (except a ~1m² square around each tree) because it's just a street in the city so although I don't find them a bother and I can pick a fruit from time to time while walking, I can well understand why people who live in this street would complain about it.
I can't understand what went through the mind of people who chose to plant these trees here. I think it's almost as bad as if those were mulberry trees (relative to staining power).
But it's just a remark on how fruit trees can be annoying to some people, for my part I used to live in another city where I was able to pick blackberries and raspberries on my way to work or to the supermarket, sometimes pears, and it was great. And in autumn I pick chestnuts here. Not too often because of PFAS pollution.
In many places, people worry about bugs and rats eating them, and the ones that don't get eaten start to rot and grow moldy. Generally just things people don't like in a dense city.
Any rotting fruit that falls on the ground will attract many animals and bugs. Lots of flies and wasps, as well as bigger animals like rats or raccoons. Depends on the city for the specific animal, but seems like there are plenty of animals in big cities (at least here in the US) - NYC famously has rats, for example.
I presume that Americans always take the poo of their beloved pets from the streets. /s
They're supposed to by law (and just good old-fashioned manners), and many do clean up after their pets, but anywhere you go there's always gotta be at least one jerkwad that doesn't care one little bit about anything beyond the tip of their own nose.
https://fallingfruit.org/?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=en
It is a shame they we throw away so much food.
No only the smell is amazing in the summer and it reminds me of home, but it's been so cool to see people come and pluck from it for their cooking. It's been my hope all along.
I love this <3
Fig trees located in fields are considered public by tradition in Crete. I.e. it's fair game to stop by and grab some fruit, even if you cross into private property. This tradition originates from older days, where farmers/shepherds were travelling the island on foot or riding donkeys, often sleeping away from home. Fig trees were established as the unofficial roadside snack bars because of the delicious fruit, but more importantly because they thrive on the rough terrain without need for human care.
We're dismissive of "security through obscurity", but cost functions and diffusive compartmentalization are structural components of many systems. Yet exploring innovative approaches to mitigate the costs of our barrier reductions don't seem to get much discussion.
I ask because this would be an interesting data to have in Openstreetmap or Wikidata, so you can easily know what rules govern what nature reserve.
I really like them and you can't just buy them at a grocery store.
The city also has some foraging clubs that are quite active. There are many more things to pick in the city's forests and parks: asparagus, strawberries, raspberries, currants, mushrooms, etc.
In short: You do a overpass turbo query to dump data from OSM and import it into sqlite, build a GIS index, serve it as geojson, display that on a slippymap with leafletjs and write an end point to update the data.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=15Z25z2IyTYSzH0...
https://apps.ecology.wa.gov/dirtalert/?lat=47.273840&lon=-12...
Just be prepared for someone to pick everything to sell or for their restaurant
For non-Germans: it's a (now colloquial) term for stealing in low quantities and out of direct necessity for your own/your family's survival. In that it alleviates the "base motives" part of the crime.
"Stealing" fruit (or flowers) from public flora is legal in a practical sense and under certain circumstances explicitly permitted if it does not involve trespass, you only take small quantities (which is not legally defined) and you do so carefully (which is also not legally defined). There's no requirement for immediately consuming the fruits on the spot (as the colloquial use of the term "Mundraub" suggests).
As with most of the things laypeople think of as being legal, it's more of a case of how much someone cares to enforce the law that makes it illegal. Also note that "public land" may not actually be public despite being publicly accessible. A lot of former nobility retained their land despite losing their titles and it's not always clear that this land is actually privately owned, especially if you're not from the area. Some is even tended by municipal governments as part of contractual agreements for allowing access to the public. Germany did not get rid of its nobility like e.g. France did even if we officially no longer recognize titles.
[1] https://taylor.town/oh-theft
tl;dr Remember that private plants overhanging public property are not necessarily fair game.
If you're asking for my personal moral opinion, I think it's only a minor sin.
To me, it's like walking your dog without a leash. Of course your precious chihuahua doesn't need a leash, but then that somehow gives license for pomeranians, pugs, corgis, collies, terriers, pitbulls, german shephards, mastiffs, etc.
I don't think chihuahuas really need leashes. But sometimes I also don't trust people to decode nuance and to self-police. I want to live in a world where chihahuas are free and safe, and it seems like the best way to achieve that is through adherence to blanket policies. I'm still unsure if that makes it a moral issue though haha I'm not a philosopher
systematic harvesting is much better at that; whatever kind of point-scoring exercise people engage in on the way is irrelevant
And yet, I absolutely hate sites that don't let me go back to wherever I was before going to the site when I hit back, but instead reload prior same page clicks.