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>See also "nobody uses elasticsearch because they like lucene queries; they use it because everyone likes using kibana and tolerate lucene."

there are lots of usecases for ElasticSearch without Kibana. in my area it is >90% ElasticSearch without Kibana (nor Grafana)

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I suspect very few people "start with Kibana to solve some streaming data search problem and discovery they love ElasticSearch / lucene" and similarly very few people who seek out features on top of lucene say "and another major selling point to using ElasticSearch for this project is that we'll also be able to search the database with Kibana"

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