The U.S. is approving citizenship applications at the fastest speed in years
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Submitted an online form 4 months ago, received an interview date two months ago, had my interview last week.
Interview was at 8:30am Oath ceremony was at 9am Registered to vote at 9.15am Back at work at 10am!
Submitted passport application the day after.
Interview was straightforward and most of the time was double checking all the information I had previously submitted was accurate. Learning the answers to the civics test was fun.
I think there is a cliche of a stern interviewer who is looking for any excuse to say no, but this officer was kind and encouraging.
The oath ceremony was actually quite moving. I often see most displays of patriotism as some kind of pseudo mental illness but the patriotism shown by the officiant was actually rational, inclusive and inspiring.
All that to say, am lucky and pleased to have such a smooth journey to citizenship and am happy to be able to vote!
I guess they must have changed the requirements since and hired 1000's of people to process everyone. Lucky you.
USCIS needs to be fully self reliant on funding, a restriction not placed on any other agency from what I know.
Congress passed a bill a couple of years ago increasing the fees of several kinds of applications allowing for more funding, after a long gap. Further, they passed funding for digitizing their processes and updating computers after about 2 decades.
An additional factor is the massive backlog created by the Trump administration whose strategy was to simply add roadblocks and delays to the simplest processes. This was further exacerbated by pandemic slowdowns, so the increased capacity, combined with the removal of ideological opposition to legal and authorized immigration and a large backlog has likely resulted in the large numbers of citizenships.
Why is that? It just doesn't seem rational to me to see it that way, but if that is how you feel then that is how you feel. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, I already know I can't, but just some explanation would be valuable.
And there is ways to display it. A pub calling itself "Penny Lane" and displaying a liver bird is totally fine, but when an english pub looks excessively, in-your-face english, i just can't, and i would bet most englishmen living in the same city couldn't either. It's just so weird.
It actually makes no sense at all for sports beyond billionaire owners trying to make fans feel like we’re all one, big, happy family. What on earth does the National anthem have to do with grown men playing baseball or football? Do they sing the National anthem before you sit down and start coding every day?
Generally, yes, this is the way it should be. Path from visitor to citizen should involve way more checks than owning a home.
Also, making sure the house is sufficient collateral for the loan is a whole bunch of additional overhead.
If it was possible the lender doesn't care who you are just your ability and willingness to pay for the loan. The best signals for that is history of repayment combined with cash, salary and collateral.
All other checks are the ones because those signals weren't strong enough and gov requirements for anti AML, good person, etc but those are gov reqs.
Still from what I understand the US takes in more immigrants every year than any other country.
Worldwide, the United States is home to more international migrants than any other country, and more than the next four countries—Germany, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United Kingdom—combined
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested...
That's a somewhat misleading way of presenting data.
It is true that in absolute terms, the US contains more immigrants than any other country on earth.
However, on a percentage of the population basis, the US is actually only around the OECD average in terms of numbers of immigrants: https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/foreign-born-populat... – in 2019, Luxembourg was 47.30% foreign-born, Australia 29.90%, Switzerland 29.70%, Israel 21.20%, Sweden 19.50%. At 13.60%, the US was around the middle.
The fact that the US comes first in absolute terms, is not because the US is unusually welcoming to immigrants, it is because (among developed countries) it is unusually populous – at 333 million people, it is over 2.5 times more populous than the 2nd most populous OECD member (Japan).
Our anti-immigration lobby is loud and politicized, but there are smart people doing policy behind the scenes no matter which bunch of belligerent blowhards are in office in a given year.
We should be even more welcoming of immigration than we are, and we should clean up our act on e.g. the southern border and the humanitarian crisis that's completely avoidable there. We don't have this right yet.
But when it comes down to it in realpolitik terms, populous nations are strong nations both today, and especially in 20-40 years when powers like the PRC are going to be faltering badly because of demographic collapse and we're still going strong because new blood kept the country young and vibrant.
That said the IRA act is poring money into manufacturing which is having direct effects in those states, but require a hard look at easing infra development,
In 2022, almost 15% of the Netherlands population was foreign-born. The top 5 countries of origin were Turkey, Suriname, Morocco, Indonesia, and the Dutch Caribbean. [1]
So I'm not sure, just looking at the statistics, if it is really true that one country is more diverse in terms of migrants than the other.
And, putting statistics aside, do you really think a country which until recently had a second-generation immigrant Prime Minister (Rishi Sunak, both of whose parents were born in East Africa, of Punjabi descent–and his wife was born in India too), is less diverse than the Netherlands, which has not yet in its history had a Prime Minister who was not ethnically Dutch? And I think if you look at Sunak's cabinet, you will notice it was more ethnically diverse than Schoof's is, or any of Rutte's were – and the current Starmer cabinet is more ethnically diverse than Schoof's as well.
[0] https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/mi...
[1] https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/dossier/asylum-migration-and-integr...
Schoof cabinet: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoof_cabinet#Cabinet_membe...
Starmer cabinet: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starmer_ministry#Cabinet
The current UK cabinet contains senior ministers from ethnic minority background, such as David Lammy as Foreign Secretary and Shabana Mahmood as Lord Chancellor. Who are their equivalents in the Netherlands?
1) The US economy has no choice, it needs immigrants to keep the population from declining. This is why the southern border is what it is. We've trade an economic problem for an immigration problem.
2) In some - many? - cases these immigrants are a brain drain from their home country. That is, when "the best" come here instead of staying home to improve their on country, is that a net positive? We pat ourselves on the back but no one talks about how this hurts the from countries.
It's a fairly common topic when people talk about foreign aid and assistance. The classic dilemma is that we'd like to make sure top people all over the world get as much education as they can use, but we'd also like them to stay in their home countries and do the work of development even though they might rationally view the opportunities someplace else for a highly educated person as quite attractive.
One example of what I was talking about (merely the first I was able to quickly google): the requirement for Fulbright scholars, who are paid to study at the graduate level in the United States, to return to their home countries, at least for a time, before trying to come back to the US:
You and your dependents are subject to Code of Federal Regulations rule 212(e), the two-year, home-country residence requirement associated with the J-visa. As noted throughout this guide, the spirit of the Fulbright Program is to increase mutual understanding between the people of the United States and the people of other countries by means of educational and cultural exchange. When you have completed your grant, you are expected to return home to share the knowledge you have gained. This means that until you have resided and been physically present in your home country for a combined total of two years following your departure from the United States, you and your dependents are ineligible to apply for status in the United States as:
Permanent residents, Temporary workers or trainees (visa status H) Fiancé(e)s (visa status K) Intracompany transferees (visa status L) Grounds for applying for a waiver of the two-year, home country residence requirement are extremely limited, and approval of waiver requests is rare. IIE cannot assist in this process. Waivers should not be requested as a means of continuing your grant activities.
1. Sensitive Topic
2. Rhetorical Questions and Ambiguity
3. Implied Criticism
4. Complex Sentence Structure (I’m guilty of writing in the same format as my thoughts too)
5. The Typo (“own country” instead of “on country”)
This effectively describes why you were likely algorithmically downvoted.
Fact: The US economy needs the headcount, esp since birthrates are down.
Fact: When we "win" the best & the brightest, the country they came from loses. Imagine if instead of fighting the American Revolution, everyone picked up and moved to (e.g.) Canada. The US loves to brag about the win, but never comes clean on the countries that lose.
These key facts are too often not mentioned in the context of this topic, because they alter the myth and change the narrative. So the solution is... DV'ing?
Anywhere else, that would be funny. On HN it's sad.
I come here to avoid random smalsmall minded down voting. It doesn't help at all
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-09-26/with-an-el...
What is Cuba then?
I'm actually surprised it's listed as January 12, 2021... I'm guessing Obama delisted it and then Trump relisted it right before leaving office?
See for example Kashmir [1] - whether the coming immigrants agree with the natives on e.g. the tax rate, term limits for politicians, or environmental laws, don't even come up as concerns. Nor did Czechoslovakia split over gay marriage, or Yugoslavia over differing views on abortion.
This focus on "views" to the exclusion of all else is a purely American phenomenon, and a recent one at that - only six decades old.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/08/kashmirs-new...
It’s a pity some people can’t think of politics as possibly more than zero sum. A good policy should actually lift all boats. Middle America simply will not survive without more people and more economic activity, period. If native born children choose to move to the coasts, and no immigrants fill in the gaps, you’re not going to have the long-term prosperity you’re imagining.
> It’s a pity some people can’t think of politics as possibly more than zero sum. A good policy should actually lift all boats.
That there are such policies doesn't mean one can ignore the zero-sum ones, or the downright hostile ones, as the Uyghurs could tell you.
The death of the GOP and the rise of MAGA has more than a little to do with immigrants.
However we just neglected to build anywhere for them to live...
We are in a cost-of-living crisis, a per-capita recession.
One of the reasons we are not in a full-blown recessions is the wealth that immigrants brought with them!
Building firms are going under, and we gutted the trade schools years ago. So the housing crisis isn't going to resolve anytime soon...
On the residential homes - i assume it not a question of land/resources.
As it happens, the US powers that be are big fans of real estate appreciation and wage depression. They evidently don’t much care about selecting for high value immigrants either. Tech workers who pay big taxes and create bigger value get a way harder time of it than obvious public charges. It’s strange, but revealed preferences never lie.
As for our (USA's) housing crisis, the New York Times had a podcast about that just four days ago [1]. There are some notable parallels to what you have described. TL;DR: The 2008 recession pushed us from building 2.2 million houses a year to 600K, for the last 20ish years. The skilled laborers and tradesmen who used to build houses have closed shop. Now here we are years later and millions of houses short with no clear way to reboot the industry.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/24/podcasts/the-daily/housin...
Australia has almost the highest immigration per capita in the world, and a massive chunk of that is pure fraud. [1]
75% of "students" come in via unregulated agents, many of whom direct students to these university fronts.
In fact, Australians overwhelmingly reject mass immigration. 71% oppose it and are regularly ignored by the powers that be on both sides. The left imports immigrants for ideological reasons and the right imports them for cheap labor for their corporate buddies.
[1] https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/fake-schools-fake...
This happened some years ago, so perhaps the system has been improved meanwhile, but I strongly doubt it.
At that time, I was living in an European country, but I was working for a subsidiary of an Australian company. There was a reciprocal agreement with Australia that visas must not be required for visiting the other country.
In Europe, the agreement was observed, so any of our Australian colleagues could visit the local subsidiary at any time, no questions asked.
However, there was a moment when the Australian headquarters decided that a team from the European subsidiary must come in a visit to them, for an important meeting where some future strategies had to be decided.
We expected that the travel to Australia would be as easy as the reverse travel for the Australians, but no, while Australia could not demand a visa, which would have been illegal, they had replaced the visa requirement with a requirement for some kind of "electronic" permit, whose name I do not remember, which was nothing else but a visa with another name, because without it you would have been denied entry in Australia.
To obtain the Australian permit one had to provide a really ridiculous amount of personal information about yourself and about a lot of family relatives (not only spouse, parents and siblings, but even grandparents), certainly at least as much as when applying for some security clearance of the highest level. I have traveled through many countries, and even those that require visas do not request such an amount of information. You do not need to provide such information even when going to Israel, where they have reasons to be more careful.
The most annoying was that they were not satisfied with providing a bank account where you held an amount of money greater than would be required for all your travel and stay in Australia. They also required for that bank account a detailed lists with all the transactions done with that bank account for the past three months.
Initially we have provided the list of banking transactions with only the amounts of money that had been transferred, but that was not good enough, they wanted for each transaction the complete information, like the invoice that has been paid and for whom. I could understand if they had required only the source of the money that credited the account, to determine who was paying for the travel to Australia, but a complete list of transactions, including everything that you have bought, was an abusive request.
If we had known in advance the Australian system, we would have created three months earlier a bank account with the only purpose of storing money for the Australian visit, which would have had an empty list of transactions. As it was, because this was a business trip, the account with money for the trip was the company account. Disclosing all the transactions from the company account could potentially disclose some confidential information for competitors and it would also disclose to the employees going in that trip information considered confidential by the company, i.e. the salaries of all employees.
Due to the complications created by the need to provide all the information requested by the Australian authorities, the process for completing the applications for the permit was very long. Even after providing all the required information, on-line to some immigration offices located in Tasmania, the processing of the applications took a few months. Because it was delayed so much, eventually the Australian headquarters has cancelled the visit to Australia and they have organized a meeting in Europe, where they did not fear that the Australians are illegal immigrants.
Our case was certainly not a singular one, because at the same time there was in the news a case when there had been an important meeting of some international organization, which happened to be organized in that year in Australia, and the representatives of some countries could not reach the meeting because they had received Australian visas much too late, even if they had been requested early enough and there was no doubt that they had a valid reason to come to Australia.
Then you proceed to list the ways things are worse. Maybe immigration is not good for you and you should not take it as an axiom?
Trump technically deported fewer people per term than Biden’s term or either of Obama’s terms.
But the definition of “deported” is important here. From what I remember, the definition of “encounter” (when CPB catches people crossing the border or in that buffer zone within 50 miles inland of the border/port of entry) changed around 2014. With it, the definition of who is “deported” versus simply turned away as they try to enter changed.
Also important to know that Obama most likely increased deportations during a specific period strategically to give Democrats leverage to negotiate for better policy and to establish legitimacy in the negotiations. Around 2013, there was a concerted effort in the Senate to come up with a comprehensive immigration reform package — something that hadn’t happened since the late 1980s. IIRC this was called the “Gang of Eight” — 4 Dems, 4 Repubs hashing out a framework before they were going to send a bill to the floor for negotiation. The gang never delivered a bill because the 2 parties are dysfunctional and would rather have a broken immigration system to complain about than risk actually solving it and gaining some downside risk that voters won’t actually like the effects/consequences.
Anyway, Obama’s last 2 years in office had lower immigration partly because of the change in definition, partly due to changes in policy for CPB, partly due to not needing leverage against Republicans for an immigration bill that no longer had a chance of passing, and partly due to changes in geopolitics / “push factors” of the countries where the most immigrants across the southern border came from.
After the Gang of Eight failed, Obama then pushed for reasonable treatment of the most sympathetic and least culpable undocumented immigrants — the DREAMers. Honestly it totally made sense to me because Congress, not the president sets the budget for border patrol / immigration. Every president maxes out the budget every year. The DREAM Act was simply a way to deprioritize those least likely to be a legal problem to shift budget priorities towards the parts of immigration management that need it more.
The Biden administration has been like that on even partisan things. Take Net Neutrality: they stuck with a FCC pick that couldn't get confirmed for years, and we only saw progress once they pulled their head out of their ass and picked someone else who could actually get confirmed.
Burning a bit of karma never hurts now and then.
Americans voted in extremely good terms on SS (always good COLA adjustments, the age of SS retirement never adjusting for longer lifetimes or easier labor). It was never sustainable without consistent massive economic growth.
To be clear, I did not grow up like this, but I know many that did.