America is becoming less "woke"
economist.com
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DW is pretty reliable, don't know about CNA/Bloomberg.
Al Jazeera is very questionable to say the least. Worth it to read as you should also read biased news and validate content for yourself of course and on some topics their content is decent.
It gave the charts so you could make your own conclusion, so seems like the opposite of what you said for this article.
I believe most Americans are aware of politicians and the media focusing on culture war divisions and are sick of it.
Like a floundering company, the US congress spends most of its time in these modalities:
- trying to convince you they're not part of the DC establishment
- Fund raising off cultural divisions, and exasperation of same for the same goal
- blaming the other side
- blaming congress' culture as polarized hence can't get anything done
- US electorate laboring under the delusion that changing the president is a solution -- maybe helpful at the margins -- but fundamentally unable to permanently circumvent law.
- the far left and right are equally culpable in culture fights while the right is more criminally culpable in how it uses its agency.
And that's exactly right: we're sick of it.
In a floundering company with no product, poor quality control, cost overruns, disdain from existing customers, and non existent cross functional coordination the first thing upper management must do is fire the people unwilling to stop whining, blaming, and take responsibility.
The focus must emphasize customer satisfaction through quality of service/product. In short the BS had to stop. Second focus must emphasize cross functional coordination. In-fighting is a fireable offense. No complicated product is made by one team. It takes coordination.
(I can name any number of examples from books to personal experience where this was done in US corporate history to get people to understand the old way is out).
Right now the US congress far left and right like the BS; it serves their goals. The middle 4 std deviations over the center stand around with their head down, hands in pockets, hoping nobody notices them. It's institutional incompetence.
In the world of belief systems untied to natural law and empiricism, even the Bible reminds: faith (beliefs) without works is nothing but cheap symbolism.
And for what it's worth, DEI's environmental cousin - ESG (Environment, Social, Governance) - reporting for investors is still going quite strong.
It's one thing to incorporate aspects of DEI into company culture and to have policy around it, but do you really need a role dedicated to DEI? I really doubt it. I've worked at a few companies with these DEI officers, and the value they bring to a company is extremely dubious, if existent at all. My last company let theirs go, despite the administration being highly leftist at the time, and it was painfully obvious why. It's insulting to everyone that a DEI officer makes more than a burger flipper considering their cushy duties.
DEI-based roles were destined to fail.
She organised events, had to find speakers, find venues for said events, wrote internal SM posts, etc.
And this was all unpaid, effectively. There was no policy, no obligation to participate, no forced anything. It was just about creating space that can either accommodate discussions or promote awareness, or workshops to help some people be inspired, feel supported or encouraged. There were culture cafés, mentoring programs, etc.
Said company seems to have had a reduction in DEI efforts/positions, but that seems aligned with a general cost reduction, not because DEI was a failure.
(I do an exceptionally poor job of summarising what she did, but then again, I wasn’t directly involved in it).
Just because something is a lot of work does not mean it is worth that investment. I can dig a giant hole in my backyard, but I'm probably not going to get much out of it aside from dirt and stone for all my efforts.
The instant it becomes obvious that the company only hires young straight white males when there are applicants that don't fit those categories and are equally or better qualified were not hired, they'll spend far more than a couple of DEI employee's annual salaries either paying the victims or paying the lawyers.
Also those responsible for ESG do not have any disciplinary power over other employees, which was different with DEI. PR of course has slightly different rules.
Still, it should be under scrutiny to not mutate into something more authoritarian again.
As a dev I can ignore ESG completely now and I don't believe I will ever become friends with it. I certainly do not change my language for them, they caused enough damage and I believe polite silence on certain topics on their part would be quite adequate.
Are you saying all ESG is just a grift to further racism and sexism? And that ESG is authoritarianism?
I don't even understand your argument.
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I guess you could call structural oppression “identity politics”, but that seriously feels like a dog whistle.
- Boeing sucks at building stuff: blame woke hiring
- SpaceX has a landing failure: blame DEI hires at suppliers
I wouldn't be surprised if they shout at the sky screaming about woke clouds when they get caught in rain without an umbrella
It's been really weird to see "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" become a hate word.
Like with my example of the SpaceX landing failure, it was a booster that had flown over 20 times, had flown a trajectory at the edge of its performance, the leading theory (IIRC) was/is that some components on the legs finally wore out too much. Testing these limits has been one of the side-benefits of Starlink launches on used boosters.
So, seeing a bunch of people stupidly freaking out about this being due to DEI just shows that they don't actually know what "DEI hiring" is as a complaint.
This applies for every single word, average poster on social media are dumb. Toxic masculinity is similarly misused etc.
The only way your argument holds water is if you think minorities are just not up to the job.
Just as it is not true that "of course majorities are able to do the job".
Just as it is not true that "of course minorities are not able to do the job".
Just as it is not true that "of course majorities are not able to do the job".
What minority/majority/gender or other group you belong to simply is not relevant.
For most highly skilled jobs, most people are not able to do the job, completely irrespective of which group they belong to otherwise ("otherwise" meaning: unless your grouping is "people who can do the job" and "people who can't do the job").
So the only or at least overriding criterion in hiring should (must?) be: can they do the job? (Do they have the skills, training, temperament, work ethic, etc.)
When reasonable people complain about DEI hires, what they are complaining about is "ability to do the job" not being the first, foremost and preferably only criterion used to select the hire. This is a reasonable complaint.
Of course there are also racist assholes, who complain about DEI hires because they believe a-priori that someone with a minority background can't do the job. That is to be condemned, obviously.
I can tell you with certainty it happens in tech. This is probably not "highly specialized" but unless I am to ignore the very obvious anti-white anti-male undertones of the monthly all-hands HR segments the sorting algorithm based on victim hierarchy is well and truly alive. I work for a coastal company though so perhaps this effective is magnified significantly.
Are there really anti-white anti-male undertones, or is it just a problem for you when anyone else is centered?
“Trust me bro it happens at my company.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pw8622/duckduck...
Similar thing happened to me, though I didn't do the experiment.
And no, I am not "crying about it". But it is a real thing.
A executive recruiter working for an American company here in Europe told me that if she comes up with a white/male candidate, she has to get approval from the US head-office.
- A 3 year old Reddit post on r/conspiracy of a dead link
- Trust me bro, someone told me once
Anecdotal evidence is sufficient for "this does happen".
Whereas the absolute claim that this 100% does not happen was "trust me bro"
The US legal system seems to agree that this happens:
White male employee wins $10M in race discrimination lawsuit
https://www.hrmorning.com/news/white-male-race-discriminatio...
Or how about this: "As a recruiter, do you have any experience of a 'no white men' policy?"
19% answered "yes, explicit policy", with another 20% saying "implicit guidance"
https://resources.workable.com/stories-and-insights/no-white...
"My boss said ‘we didn’t need another White guy.’ Say what?"
https://archive.is/NvPJD#selection-431.0-431.58
"To be clear, the candidate was eminently qualified, had made it through multiple rounds of interviews, and was the clear favorite among almost everyone who spoke with him. Further, it’s not like he lost out to someone else — they simply didn’t hire him, and the company started the hiring process all over again!"
This stuff is easy to find and verify.
Making it easier to characterise makes the characterisation easier to criticise, but that's not a meaningful target.
Use of unnuanced terminology creates battlefields far away from the positions that people actually care about.
Defund the police is used as a phrase by people who want a well regulated well funded police system. Only a very few extreme people want to eliminate police correctly
Microaggression is used in academia with a degree of specificity but there are those who will use it to mean "Thing I don't like". Dunning Kruger is a non partisan term that is misused similarly.
I don't particularly like the term woke myself but I also tend to agree with Godwin's second law.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2024/09/06/1198913319/consider-this-from...
America is pretty much guaranteed to return to a woke status-quo if we're sold enough luxury goods and convince ourselves that everything is fine again. Wokeness is the masturbatory pattern of self-assurance that both the left and right rely on to convince themselves they have absolute control over an irreconcilably apolitical reality.
Don't like the word? OK use another one. But to tout hatred-of-the-other as some kind of natural normal efficient state is preposterous and ignorant.
On the flip side, the wanton "wokeness" of the right is equally abusive. Right wing grandstanders say exactly what their party wants to hear, absolve themselves of responsibility ("oh i'm anonymous" or "i don't believe this but it's my right to say it"), and then get thousands of unironic adherents that fully believe in their hyperbolic attention-seeking. It's the exact same mechanism on either side of the aisle, jerking off precisely the same insecurities for almost exactly the same reason.
At some indeterminate point in the future, all Americans will end up being conservative. Not because it's the right choice, but because the way politics are headed nobody will be encouraged to think outside marketing and empty platitudes. We already spend more time defending our echo chambers than we spend engaging with policy.
Even if you become more liberal as time passes, no doubt your historical comments will show you up to "be conservative"
Speak for yourself. Some people just want to see themselves represented in media (Advertising or otherwise) just like the rest of the population. Even if it's just for their money, it's still better than being swept under the rug and forgotten about.
>queer media was better when it was an underground identity!
There's still plenty of great underground queer media, and it's also great to see some of it go mainstream.
I agree with the first point in so far as adverts feel gross. It's doesn't feel good that a product just turning their label rainbow makes it sell better. I suppose I feel better about gay representation in ads as couples because it suggests the company has no worry of backlash (as used to be the case for many ads in the past).
>queer media was better when it was an underground identity!
I have to plainly disagree! As a closeted kid with too much time on my hands, I had probably seen every piece of lesbian media published before the year 2005. And it's so much crap! I am tired of movies ending in tragedy! Sometimes I just want a classic meet cute with light conflict and a happy ending! I don't care about longing stares across a room and hand holding behind boyfriends backs, I don't care about passive aggressive arguments about whether they come out to their friends and family. I want real romance movies that aren't just about being gay.
The hurting ego is often thinly veiled by grandstanding and incendiary language. You give the person what they need — security, community, direction; and their 500 grievances previously lodged in every direction suddenly disappear.
Unfortunately, this is rarely what these people get. There are many others willing to take advantage of their rage, too.
Perhaps "woke" behavior has become more of a cultural norm as opposed to being considered "woke".
Gaslighting is probably taking it too far, just because an article has written something you don't agree with, or perhaps doesn't prove itself enough doesn't mean it's gaslighting.
2. Regardless, one might rather say that the "America is going woke!" fashion among media pundits is being replaced by "America is rejecting wokeness!" fashion.
Hope that helps.
That said, ‘America’ is synonymous with the USA in writing and conversation here (and elsewhere in Europe in my experience).
The Economist is a British publication.
I suspect OP knows this, and is fighting a battle to try to change how Americans speak their own language — it’s not rare, in my experience, for people in other countries of the Americas to be annoyed by this usage.
Are you a native English speaker? "America" in the singular is universally understood to be equivalent to "the US".
You have to use "Americas" with an "s" to refer to the two continents combined, or "North America"/"South America" to refer to them individually.
"The Americas" contain multiple countries. "America" is just another name for United States of America. North/South/Central is used when talking about the continent. But you knew that.
And I get it, it used to bother me when I was a kid too. I resented Americans for taking the continental name for themselves. But then real life arrived and that's just how it works in English and trying to fight is pointless.
Being deliberately obtuse or combative about this usage of the word America is just bad faith and detracts from the point you're trying to make.
Also interesting how much more biased their headlines are in the print edition than online:
> This article appeared in the Briefing section of the print edition under the headline “Back to sleep”
I wonder why they do that. Presumably they know online articles will be seen by a more diverse audience?
And for the record, I largely disagree with the nonsense I suspect you are referring to. I also respect that there a bunch of people who don't, and in a democracy, that matters.
There is a lot of distracting, dividing, and just trash-tier content in social media that society is only worse off for taking seriously.
Politically divisive articles such as ones encouraging identity politics tend to fall in that category. So do articles with emotionally loaded terms like “woke”. Maybe they are loaded not for us, but we all know they are loaded emotionally for many.
And it doesn’t matter much if many other people engage in it, it is likely healthier for you and society not to.
Now, I agree that maybe “irrelevant” should be grounded in context — it is irrelevant to a discerning reader. It is relevant in society and its discourse, unfortunately.
edit: lol at the downvotes. Check the gini coefficient around the world and get back to me.
Take San Francisco as a prime example. It’s a place full of people who style themselves as progressive or “woke” or whatever but a starter home is unachievable to anyone without an exit event or a $400k salary. It has one of the widest rich/poor divisions of anywhere I’ve ever seen in the USA. Major industries include mass surveillance and addictive forms of media, and I have no idea how anyone who isn’t in a high six figure job can live well there let alone raise a family.
SF is not progressive at all, except in rhetoric.
Still I don’t think that lets them totally off the hook since they obviously don’t care that much, otherwise they would advocate for better housing and zoning policies to make housing more affordable.
So I do think this issue points to a fundamental un-seriousness in the supposed commitment to equity.
The right is not necessarily better, e.g. blaming housing costs on immigration instead of underbuilding. But they are not the ones posturing as deeply concerned about equity.
Some red areas do accidentally have better housing policies because they tend to be pro development, but this isn’t because they care about the poor. It’s because they are okay with building and that has a side effect of controlling prices. Example: Texas.
Summary: both sides suck, but blue areas are also hypocrites.
You really only need to go about 30-40min inland from some of these places to see how normal/centrist most places are.
I don't think I had ever heard of woke before the non-stop talking points from the 'Right'.
It always seemed like a drummed up issue to rile up their, Christian/Holocaust Denier/Civil War Loving, base.
I rarely hear moderate or more traditionally Republican/Conservative types rant about wokeness. It's the ones doused in right-wing propaganda.
I'm generally of the opinion most people are decent. We might have differences on things but most people can compromise and find a middle position. Our media and politicians thrive on polarization tho and it's utterly killing our ability to function as a democracy.
His view, which I broadly agree with, is that the membership of a party (Tory, Labour, etc) are further from the mainstream "centre ground" than the general population, and that's a bad thing. His solution was the leadership of the party should come from the elected representatives (the MPs) and not the 100,000 "enthusiastic" members -- in the past the parties (Tory and Labour specifically) had massive membership, but now it's just a small number. It's relatively easy for a specific group to actually take over a party.
However I don't think that the small number of votes is the only problem -- the US doesn't have that problem for example, are driven by the views of millions and still come out with the less centrist options
There are/were attempts, such as thanking the Indians who lands we stole before every Kraken game.
People get caught up in it, and then think that those opinions are normal. There is no "normative" frame of reference.
This has, of course, infected politics itself over the past 10 years.
I don't think this is about wokeness per se though, just people literally leaving institutions that are closed in favor of ones that are open. Like switching up your regular bar if it stops being open on one of the main nights you used to go there.
I'm coming around to the thesis that compulsory education is fundamentally systematic child-care to enable parents to participate in post-industrial employment and labor without needing to be around too much, attempting to raise their bothersome kids at home.
We had "latchkey kids" in the 1980s or so, and nowadays we've got parents ignoring their children at home while working from the kitchen table, or in the den.
With the rise of feminism, "equal pay for equal work", and girlbosses, there's basically nobody left who knows how to raise children, or wants to do it for free (not merely free, but the opportunity cost of skilled employment), so it makes sense for the State to expand public education as much as humanly possible so that children are mostly out-of-the-way and never home, except to sleep.
The former far outnumber the latter. But the latter might outnumber people leaving religion later in life.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/how-u-s-reli...
They’re still late past the post but now they’ve gone weirdly Neo-con.
That's what happened.
Can at least talk about it like "wow, the right is really willing to die for this, what are they on about"
The original question was, essentially, why the economist published this.
My answer was because people engage with it.
The economist writes about what is happening in the world, this subject has gripped the US, thus it is worth writing about.
Sorry. It was the parent comment that had the political tones and calling Economist crap for engaging.
This article is simply denoting the most recent label of 'woke' has been burnt and they'll be rebranding again.
In the long term this political movement will become a religion. Might be next year, might take another 25 years.