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Am I the only one who is as excited about new releases of Eclipse as Apple fans are about new Apple products?

I just love the combination of the static typing and huge class library of Java and the amazing tooling that Eclipse delivers. I know, I know, oh, the verbosity. JDK8's lambdas look quite sweet, and should help a lot with that. http://openjdk.java.net/projects/lambda/

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Eclipse also doesn't die indexing large C++ projects, with 2MB auto generated protobuf header files, unlike xcode.

Nope, I'm always there on day 1 also :D. They always do such a great job, I'm always around poking installing/trying out new enhancements and sub projects for at least a week.

Have you given IntelliJ a try? IMO it blows most Eclipse tooling out of the water.

I've heard a lot about IntelliJ, but I suppose I'm too used to Eclipse at this point. Eclipse's market (http://marketplace.eclipse.org/) is another big draw : so many nice toys in there! It elevates Eclipse to Emacs terrority : "It's not just an editor, it's more like an operating system!" :-)

I used to feel identically about Eclipse but then I gave IntelliJ a try for a week and once I got past the initial learning curve it blew me away, and I've been using it since.

It's ironic how Java was created by Lisp gurus, yet it only gets lambdas 16 years after its creation while Lisp had them all along! Aspects (or Advices as called by Lisp) are another example :)

I don't understand why people are excited for JDK8(!!!)s lambdas when you can have all that and more with Scala right now...

Well, Java lambdas will allow people to get rid of all that clunky boilerplate around anonymous classes without having to learn a whole new language.

To me Scala isn't a whole new language, it's java with extra stuff (except the variable names/types are reversed).

Ouch.

I suppose you use only "the good parts" of Scala, but if one considers the entirety of it, it feels like a kitchen sink, "Perl for the JVM : can you read it one week later?", to put it in one way. For example, can you comprehend a program written using Scalaz. (I remain aware that this could be MY issue, i.e., I may be too dumb to grok advanced stuff. I deeply regret that I do not understand Scalaz Promises enough to use it, for example, because it solves a very real problem that has bugged the design of my systems from many years (non-composability of asynchronously executing tasks)).

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