Stop connecting vehicles to the internet pls & thanks
In such world thanks to the commonality of FLOSS we have dedicated distros and package for such iron, widespread enough to be commonly available in users hands. As a result the security risks are still more than zero but much, much less and many who could since their car is their own, not owned for real by the OEM, they could simply cut the connection if they do want so.
Such open world could be done in few years by laws, and anything is already there since decades. It's a matter of knowledge and will.
App unlock, remote start + remote temperature control. All very useful.
I couldn't imagine buying a car without carplay now.
Remote start is very useful in very cold climates, but guess what, it doesn't need a phone, an app or the internet. My friend in a snowy part of Japan had a radio keyfob that did this literally 10 or more years ago. As long as you were within about 100 ft of the car you could switch it on and turn on the heaters.
Physical access is required to exploit any unauthorized access to the vehicle. What are you going to do? Steal my change?
Edit: Non connected cars for the risk adverse, connected cars for those with the risk appetite. The market will self sort, even if telematics requires more regulatory oversight (they do!).
Connecting every car to the Internet at all times just in case their owners might want to activate a remote start feature at some point is nuts.
>Edit: Non connected cars for the risk adverse, connected cars for those with the risk appetite. The market will self sort, even if telematics requires more regulatory oversight (they do!).
Seems contradictory. What risk are you actually accepting if we're all forced to kick in for some regulator that protects you from the majority of the risk?
[1] https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/hackers-are-increasin...
[2] https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/alerts/2024/09/25/threat-ac...
I don't even carry a phone for that reason.
It was nice and warm by the time I arrived to it. With only a keyfob it would have still been ice cold.
Absolutely not a necessary feature, but I miss it (free MyLink subscription expired and I won't pay for it).
If someone is working on the car (authorized or not), they may be injured if it starts without their knowledge.
If it's parked indoors, exhaust gasses are likely to build up, leading to a dangerous situation. If you have multiple drivers, maybe someone else moved it and you didn't know.
Also, remote start/temp control that works no matter the distance as long as there’s internet connectivity is superior to a radio based implementation. There’s plenty of places that are largely RF impermeable, or otherwise distance is too far. If you’re in a store, 100ft is barely any distance, especially with the layers of concrete in the way.
You do you, of course, but I've absolutely relied on physical keys on numerous occasions over the years even when electronic methods exist.
Garage door spring broke or power is out, and battery died on your electronic house lock? You're not getting in.
Keyless fob ignition car ends up in a very strange state where, even though I have the fob in my hand and the car is running, it won't respond because the doors were locked from the inside by the dog? Happened.
Actually had that conversation about the house with my wife when she didn't carry house keys: do you want to find yourself stuck out of the house while the pets freeze or boil because you didn't just carry a damned key?
How, exactly, would this happen simultaneously? Any reasonable system should alert you when batteries in your locks are running low. Unless you brazenly disregard those warnings (since, the low battery at least on mine means you still have... weeks left of battery), you will always have access. Also, with multiple entry-points into the house, you'd need ALL door locks to have their batteries die simultaneously. And the power to be out. That's a level of redundancy that is just unreasonable.
> Actually had that conversation about the house with my wife when she didn't carry house keys: do you want to find yourself stuck out of the house while the pets freeze or boil because you didn't just carry a damned key?
In what world would your pets die because you got locked out of the house? You should have AC/heating... and in some sort of power outage event (which, also, would require you to not be home either), your pets are certainly not going to freeze/overheat immediately. In such a crazy unrealistic scenario, breaking a window or drilling out a lock is a straightforward solution. But also, that would require so many multiple events to happen simultaneously (to get to needing to break a window) that it will never reasonably happen.
Pets which require medications on a schedule might become very ill without them. But yes, I suspect that any country where the weather is enough to kill your pet should probably be running AC/heat on a thermostat instead of manual. (Here in the UK, we rarely have AC, and a lot of people just put on heat manually when they're cold - but our weather is pretty mild.)
Personally I would never rely on a phone to get me into a house or vehicle. Mine runs out of battery too frequently. I've already been bitten by not being able to take a bus because my phone died and I couldn't pay for a ticket.
For ones that support Apple's Homekey, it doesn't even matter if your battery runs out. Apple devices still provide Homekey via NFC even with a dead phone.
I don't think this exists yet for car keys, although I know there's work on UltraWide Band key support.
Also, this seems substanially less fragile than just... losing a pair of keys. It's not evitable that your battery in your lock runs out (again, unless you ignore warnings), but losing your keys is one of those 'hard to prepare for' events.
Migitation for losing your keys could just be keeping a spare key with a neighbor/friend/whatever... but, well, you can do that with an e-lock too (cause they all have regular keys for true backup).
Ah, that's a fair point.
> Apple devices still provide Homekey via NFC even with a dead phone.
Huh, that's neat. I haven't come across that as I'm not an Apple user.
This is a good reason to have your car connected to the internet, you can use your app to turn it off and unlock it.
I suppose you could dream up some situation in which the fob is outside the car, someone is inside, creepy people come up and take the fob, and you want to be protected by locking from the inside.
But in that case, internet unlocking should be blocked as well, right?
It was a very bizarre experience. Anyway, wouldn't have mattered: it's my wife's car, not mine. So I wouldn't have the app.
But part of the nice thing about the app is that there's no cost to having extra "keys," so there's no reason to not have the app for your wife's car on your phone.
When I press unlock on the fob for my 2001 car, it unlocks unless the battery is dead. I can even reprogram it for two brand-new fobs without going to a dealer.
That happened to me once. Keys were in the car too. We had to try to get the dog to step on the button again to unlock the car, which she eventually did. Glad it wasn't a hot day.
Fortunately this was in an urban area and I could find a cafe that was open within the walking distance. I don't know if they allowed pets to thaw in there. It took about an hour for maintenance to open the doors (with a damned key) and let people in.
I've had to fetch something from my car while my gf had the car keys with her, I could just open it with my phone. It's useful.
If I ever park and wonder “damn did I lock my car” I can look at my key fob and see if it has a locked or unlocked padlock on it. As long as I remember sometime within like 20 minutes of parking (assuming I spend 20 minutes walking away from it in a straight line), I can lock it if I _did_ forget. I’ll get confirmation that it locked if I do that and the command makes it through.
Mine also works even where there’s no cell reception!
Which is all to say… I’d prefer better key fobs instead of cellular modems and cloud services.
I see several aftermarket systems here: https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a34512303/best-remote-...
I doubt it would ever solve my problem (they're still not going to offer half the functionality on a M/T vehicle), but there's no reason they couldn't offer something like this as a couple hundred dollar option on most of their vehicles. They already basically have all the hardware in the car I figure.
Software quality and security updates on the internet-facing component.