Apple's 80% charging limit for iPhone: How much did it help after a year?
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But scheiße, I had to buy new phone anyway, because banking app refused to work on Android 6.
The humor comes from pointing out the irony of having this "impressive" collection, which is no longer useful: the player has already completed everything important, but still managed to gather many potions they might not need anymore."
I use 80% limiter. 80% gets me through my normal weekdays, I usually end up with ~40% in the evening. Charging the battery to 100% daily has exactly 0 benefit, except wearing down the battery.
I disable the 80% limiter on the weekends, where I'm more likely to need the extra 20% (plus the capacity not lost through the excessive wear).
Burn that battery. That's what it's there for, the OS or carrier whims like baseband will probably expire first. If it survives for use off the charger, you've won.
There, we've now gone the gamut. A person made a joke, someone repeated it, first person used an LLM to explain it, another person provided the actual source... and now I'm here ruining it further!
I'll buy a new/cheaper/dumber phone before I lean further into this ecosystem or feel anxiety over it. They want disposable, it'll be disposable.
Come on, let's finish it all the way.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DontExplainTheJo...
I don't replace my phone every 6/12 months and I don't really want to replace the battery so frequently either, mainly because of the hassle.
I've noticed that some people get really insecure/defensive about this question, and have this urge to prove that optimizing your battery usage can't be worth it.
But isn't it plain obvious that it's a trade-off which can come out differently based on your subjective priorities?
import os,json,time
loki="../batcon.log"
f=open(loki,'w')
f.write('ALKU\n')
f.close()
lokinolla=time.time()
alku=True
while True:
b=json.loads(os.popen("termux-wifi-connectioninfo").read())
if b['ip'] == "192.168.1.205":
os.system("termux-api-start")
os.system("termux-wake-lock")
a=json.loads(os.popen("termux-battery-status").read())
if alku:
alku=False
os.system('termux-notification -c "BATCON TOIMII"')
p=a['percentage']
s=a['status']
cur=a['current']
if p<70 and s=="DISCHARGING":
yes=int((time.time()-lokinolla)/60)
if yes>0:
fi=open(loki,'a')
fi.write(str(yes)+" "+str(cur/1000)+"\n")
fi.close()
os.system('curl 192.168.1.156/ON')
lokinolla=time.time()
if s=="CHARGING":
if p>70: os.system('curl 192.168.1.156/OFF')
if p==81:
os.system("termux-tts-speak -l fi LASTAUS EI LOPU &")
if 0!=os.system("ping -c 1 192.168.1.156"):
os.system("termux-tts-speak -l fi LATURI EI VERKOSSA &")
time.sleep(30)
if 0==os.system("ping -c 1 192.168.1.118"):
os.system("termux-volume music 15 &")
os.system("termux-tts-speak -l en YOUR FRONT DOOR IS OPEN! &")
time.sleep(30)
if 0==os.system("ping -c 1 192.168.1.219"):
os.system("termux-volume music 15 &")
os.system("termux-tts-speak -l fi HUOMIO... JÄÄKAAPIN OVI ON AUKI ! &")
os.system("termux-toast -b yellow -c black JÄÄKAAPPI")
time.sleep(30)
else:
alku=True
print('No KOTIKONE')
time.sleep(30)If the concern isn’t resale/trade-in value, then it makes even less sense because it’s going to be YEARS before your battery life that you’re intentionally throwing away 20% of is going to be less than someone who uses the full capacity but has a slightly more degraded battery.
Seems like it’s not worth the hassle at all at least for me.
Not bad at all.
Edit: since first use Sep 2023
I also set it to 100% when I know I won't be at my desk for longer than normal (i.e. trips).
15 pro max, first used October 2023.
80% limiter has always been active.
Two words: resale value
Aside from lack of scratch and dent wear, showing a 98% - 100% battery health is very convincing that the phone is "like new".
This gets you back up to the "refurb" price levels instead of the "trade in" price levels from Apple or Gazelle.
It seems difficult from these numbers to see when, if ever, this choice is going to pay off for the people who opt in.
Presumably, they've already effectively done this by choosing voltage amounts that balance warranty repairs with battery life. e.g. the iPhone 15 charges to a max of 4.48V, but the battery presumably physically supports some higher voltage for "100%" that would give more capacity and less lifespan. (Notably, different iPhone models have different voltage ranges.)
Reducing the top-line specs of the phone means that it might fall down in comparisons to others in a spec-comparison.
I presume they would rather move the conversation into customer-land, i.e. once you've bought your phone they talk about how they are acting to preserve your expensive device.
I usually only have regular "fast" charge enabled on Android not super fast charge. (10w vs a ~18W on my Samsung S22).
I'm curious how much effect the charge rate limit has. It's not a huge charge rate difference on my phone, 10 vs 18W; I'd imagine higher rate charge devices might benefit more.
It's hard to say what contributed most (the charging strategy, more durable batteries, better battery life in general) but battery life has not been a concern at all, even on days with heavy use. Even if I forget/fail to charge in one night, I'm usually OK.
The article says that the author ran out because they were "without a charger for most of the day" - is it normal that a new-ish iPhone, even if charged "only" to 80%, needs to be charged during the day?!?
Depends heavily on usage patterns. I have friends who watch TikTok videos all day, and they have to top-up before they go out for the evening. If you have less battery-intensive habits, a new-ish iPhone goes 2 days on a charge fairly easily.
AFAIK, these batteries have a tolerance range of around ±5%, so if you just have a sample of two phones, one might end up with 100% battery health after a few hundred cycles and the other with battery health in the low 90s due to no factor other than battery lottery.
Heat is the main culprit.
I think it is also crucial to not allow deep discharge of the battery too frequently. Ideally keep the battery charge in the range of 40-80%. My usage is relatively low so I am mostly within that range.
Infrequently I have charged to 100% for longer days away from home. Enabling low power mode helps to prolong battery life on these occasions too.
Would be interesting to compare all of the three options.
It seems that maybe (for MacRumors staff members?) Optimised Battery Charging already provides most of the benefits of 80% Limit, since the devices are fully charged only for short amounts of time anyway.
My iPhone 15 Pro is at 97% battery health after 287 cycles. My "normal" usage with "optimized charging" will usually result in a phone with 95% - 98% health after a years.
I think the major thing here is number of cycles. I normally charge once per day, at night while sleeping, and with optimized charging i almost never need to charge my phone during the day. With 80% limit enforced i found myself needing to charge late afternoon 2-3 times per week, especially towards the end of the 12 month period.
My point is that i use the same amount of power during a day, regardless of charge limit on the phone, so the number of cycles will be somewhat identical, with the only difference being that with optimized charging i start with 100% battery and plug in around 30%, and with 80% limit i plug in with ~10%, and low SoC (<20%) is almost as bad as high SoC (>80%) for Lithium batteries in EVs, and i doubt it's any different in phones.
A battery is just a bag of chemicals. Starting to charge it doesn't have any kind of startup cost.
I’ve capped my 15 Pro Max at 80% from the start and I avoid going below 20% and it’s still at 100% battery health after more than 10 months and 159 cycles. I occasionally charge from ~20% to a random higher number during the day, but other than that I just let it charge during the night. My iPhone 12 Pro Max dropped to 90% battery health in no time without the 80% cap and a similar charging schedule with optimized charging enabled.
iPhone likes to stay on single battery percentage for such a long time for no apparent reason that it feels like a misleading number.
Locking myself to 80% is silly since I'd much prefer that 20% as a buffer in important situations instead of having an extra 1% in some theoretical point 5 years in the future. I've been at 2-3% remaining while trying to find a hotel in a new city/country and starting the day with a 100% charge has saved my ass countless times.
Probably could be more diligent with planning and charging while using near a desk, but that adds mental overhead for very little gain. Her time and mental capacity is best spent towards focusing on her extremely high stress job. The entire point of apple ecosystem is to not have to think about it.
I rarely use the 80% feature of my iwatch since I have no idea which day out of 30 or so I actually end up needing that last 20%. Not worth the extra battery towards end of life since I will very likely be trading in and upgrading by the time it’d ever be useful to me. Even a single day of not having a dead watch offsets the cost for me.
YMMV of course!
Biggest downside I've found is around recording calls. I'm sure there are ways to do that with VOIP, but I've found it easiest to just use my cell when I have the occasional call I need to record.
People still use voicemails? Do you have a fax machine too?
In the context of a job where you're heavily using phones in the first place, yes.
I rarely let it get below 30% and don’t charge to 100%.
The part that's NOT inevitable is it going bad during Apple's warranty window. It was such a self-serving policy to begin with. After all, the primary symptom of the kind of decay they're supposedly avoiding, is a battery with 80% capacity!