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Telegram Removes Z-Library Posts 'Due to Copyright Infringement'

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Next time someone tries to tell you Telegram is a "private" or "secure" messenger. It is neither.

Yeah, and looking at what happened to Durov in France you know why.

He's handing out the IPs they asked for, so we should not trust him. He's nothing like Assange or Snowden! Also, he's a spoiled brat who went there with an escort to have a good time, even though he might get in trouble! The only respectable Durov is his brother! This narcissist is not trustworthy. I'm certain he's working for both Russia and Ukraine!

> Next time someone tries to tell you Telegram is a "private" or "secure" messenger. It is neither.

You know, there are others who say that their messenger is "secure". Shall we trust them ? If yes, why ? If not, why ? /s

https://annas-archive.org/torrents/zlib

How many TB is this in total?

Click it and see - 61TB

The full collection is actually 126TB over 17.2 million files.

https://annas-archive.org/datasets/zlib

And the whole of anna's archive mirrors 972TB of books! Though I imagine many are just carelessly encoded PDFs...

This article neglects to convey a critical piece of information: what "Z-Library" is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Library

Thanks for this, I thought it was a library for the Russian Army.

You what? Why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)

"Z" is used by Russia in the invasion of the Ukraine:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)

Is this enforced on all clients or just those downloaded from the App Store or Play Store? There was a difference in the past, if I remember correctly.

Posts and channels are removed on the server side. All clients are open source.

A lot of content in Telegram is moderated only for iOS, while still being available on other platforms.

> A lot of content in Telegram is moderated only for iOS

And even then, I believe that only applies to users who haven't flipped the "Show 18+ Content" toggle in the app settings. (It's off by default.)

I don't think there is a "Show 18+ Content" in the app downloaded from the App Store, it's only hidden in the web app (activating it will also allowed NSFW content on the iOS app).

It's definitely there for me, second from the bottom in the "Data & Storage" menu. Maybe it only shows up once you've enabled that option from another app or something?

Yeah I think so.

Visible in my iOS app, was disabled (content hidden) but could be toggled on/off within the app.

Some channels are only available on android for off-play store apps, it is server side restriction of course.

The server knows which client you're using. There are indeed stricter restrictions for apps that come from app stores.

Amazing what a few hours facing a couple of stern French gendarmes does.

... plus a 5MM EUR fine, and whatever other threats may have been made.

Note that this is not first time Telegram removes content and its moderation tools have existed and been effective for some years.

i don’t think you can call them effective given the active and open organizing of terrorist groups like Terrorgram and ISIS on Telegram.

It is more reasonable to arrest the Telegram CEO for me now. I can understand that if they designed it as impossible to control, but they are controlling contents for a long time... This almost means they permit these contents in their community.

Well, the moderation tools might be effective, but it's clear that they're used very selectively.

Telegram host thousands (or more, not like I keep count) of blatantly cybercriminal groups and refuses to take them down. Due to nature of my work I have access to a few new telegram channels used to leak people's data every day, and telegram refuses to do anything with it. Same goes for channels where cybercriminals organise their activities.

Telegram is one of the main sources of disinformation in my country. Known fake news channels are never closed. It's also a big market for illegal data.

Telegram hosted a leak channel for the data stolen from my country's government for many months before finally agreeing to take it down. Then a clone of this channel was created, and it exists to this day.

Tell me more about how telegram does... anything at all to moderate its content.

Can confirm. One can subscribe to channels that for example give away stolen credentials for disney+/netflix/chatgpt every day.

I've seen a lot of wild shit in Telegram channels. It's weird seeing people defend Telegram, but I guess that's American first amendment fundamentalism/fetishism. Even terrorist speech should be protected, apparently?

What kind of "terrorist speech" are we talking about?

True. Among all noise over Durov being harassed by France it may seem to uninformed that this is some new development, but it isn't.

The first time I've noticed some "extremist" (I mean, I don't necessarily think they merited being taken down, but I need to find some word to communicate the idea that it was "serious business", like, you know, discussing firearms, being largest free library, being pro-Trump or COVID-skeptic, some spicy things) channels being taken down was January 2021, right after Biden came to office and all the fuzz that accompanied these events. Probably, it also happened before, but it was the first time I really noticed it happening at scale. Like, enough for me to finally learn that Telegram isn't some "old free Internet" kinda thing anymore.

And lately it even can be about forcing bloggers to delete something as mild as fancams from some sports-event a big TV-channel has all rights to. And when that happened everybody was angry at that TV-channel, not at Telegram, because Telegram abiding if somebody large enough is insistent enough is nothing that isn't unexpected. I'd just say they are kinda lax if nobody large enough is insistent enough, and it was like that for quite some time.

Related development:

Telegram says it will share phone numbers and IPs of 'bad actors' to authorities

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41621705

You probably meant this URL:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41628019

The one you pasted is unrelated to this topic.

Whoops, copy buffer, yep thx

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