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I will never understand how a bunch of technically-inclined people can look at an obvious bug and think it was put in intentionally.

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This happens everywhere in Apple products. It thinks it knows better than you, and completely screws power users.

Try manually adding IMAP/POP/SMTP servers in Mail in both iOS and MacOS. First off the process is nowhere near consistent. Second, they both try to be clever if they detect supported hosts like gmail. It'll kick off different flows because it thinks gmail is gmail. So for things like custom reply-to's, it's a massive pain in the ass.

Gmail requires a different login flow, because they're dropping password authentication in favor of OAuth, for pretty reasonable security reasons.

And entering my password in a different kind of text box is more secure how?

2FA support. Gmail requires 2FA.

It doesn't "require" it. Users might enable it or disable it.

If it's disabled, can you explain to me how is it safer?

Gmail can require 2FA more or less at google's whim, regardless of user preferences (and if you don't have a method set up, you'll be locked out of logging in, at least through that particular device/connection)

It can require it if it is enabled. Which is not mandatory.

No, even if you have it disabled, google will occasionally ask for a second factor anyway. This often outright locks people out of their accounts.

(see this for example: https://support.google.com/mail/thread/14768952/how-to-turn-...)

If Google detects something strange or is just feeling particularly chaotic that day, they will lock the account and require you to verify it using the phone number. Even if you don't have 2FA enabled.

Because you are entering it into a Google login flow.

Which usually will have MFA and sometimes not a text box at all (passkey).

It bonkers isnt it!

Do none of Apple's developer team use any other editor at anytime other than XCode! How was this not picked up in beta testing!?

Here's another gripe:

The tiling feature maddens me!

You cant disable it completely or remap the key bindings.

Did anyone at Apple even test this using a full size Magic Keyboard?

Using the FN key to move windows is fine when the key is down next to the Control key. Which it isnt on the full size keyboard.

And I assume the developers at Apple use the big Magic Keyboard?

So did anyone of them even think for a minute about how useless it is to bind the window tiling feature to the FN key?

Plus, you can't fully disable Sequoia's tiling, so it interferes with my 3rd party tiling tool :-/

To answer your questions, no, they do not use an editor that isn't Xcode. And I would also suspect none of them use desktop macs daily and instead use macbooks.

But surely they must tether their MacBooks to external displays and desktop Mouse’s and Keyboards!

I didn’t think they’d be using Mac minis, Studios or Pros as such.

They can’t all be using the little mini Magic Keyboard or working directly on their laptops?

Can they…. :-O

The MacBook keyboard is atrocious. I always mess up the passwords a bunch of times.

Not a developer at Apple, but I've been using Magic Keyboard's (without numpad) for about ten years now exactly because it has the same layout as every Macbook I own(ed). If they were to ever make a numpad version with the fn key at the same place I probably wouldn't switch either because I would just be trying to hit the numpad when I'm on the laptop's keyboard.

Are you sure you can't remap the keyboard shortcuts? I believe you can change them in System Settings -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts

Yeah, this is one of the old things going way back. Native apps never offer remapping of anything because they don't have to; as long as something has a menu item entry you can change the shortcuts at the system level.

AFAICT You are able to remap the 'Globe' key to another key, say CAPSLOCK.

But you can't remap the key combinations assigned to the new Tiling feature!

I think they’re on the windows menu. If so, I believe you can. I’m staying away from Sequoia for awhile though, so I can’t test it.

How about that, so they are!

I didn't think to look there LOL

Thanks for the heads up, you've made my day!

You can enter new keyboard shortcuts to replace the existing ones in Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> App Shortcuts -> All Apps (or just the specific ones if you only want it in certain apps). Just be sure to use the full menu item path. So your menu item should be `Window->Move & Resize->(Left|Right|Top|Bottom|etc)`. I had to close out of the shortcuts dialog and switch to another app for it to take, but it works.

Users are beta testers, and always have been.

I don't understand why and how does Apple keep breaking stuff that has worked perfectly fine for the previous 24 years. Like, just don't touch it maybe if it already works?

Also yearly major OS updates are beyond stupid.

In my original comment I put "feature" in quotes. I do think a change was intended, it's just not working as it should.

I will never understand how Apple doesn't have automated testing that catches all these basic bugs before shipping.

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