If you think companies care about embarrassment I have a nice house in Bhopal to sell you.
That’s why I said to shame individuals, not faceless entities. And I think it’s fascinating that you didn’t reply to what I actually said.
Even as you tried to shame me (ie “if you actually believe that, you’re so dumb you’d buy something ridiculous!”) because you recognize that shaming is an effective tactic.
To quote someone else who's worked with Big Corp:
>>Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing management. Think of management the way you think of a lawn mower.You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about management.
>Even as you tried to shame me (ie “if you actually believe that, you’re so dumb you’d buy something ridiculous!”) because you recognize that shaming is an effective tactic.
I don't give a fuck what you think. I want to convince other people that you're wrong and we need better solutions for writing open source software because I enjoy doing it and I'd love to get paid for it. As far as I'm concerned you're a badly put together memetic lawnmower whose a danger to everyone around you - the end.
Bryan Cantrill (quote@) https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2303
specifically about Larry Ellison (and Oracle), not about management in general.
Worth watching from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=33m as he starts by praising Sun management.
And I'm not holding my breath that even that would sink in. People are amazingly talented at hearing only what they want to hear to justify doing it like they've always done it.
unless they're using some sort of hosted service for free, this cannot be critical. After all, software doens't rot, and they could continue to use the existing release until a (new) solution is found.
Look at how crowdstrike triggered outage didn't cause bankruptcy - that is more critical than most OSS would be.
Though I will note I'm agreeing that it's highly unlikely you can put a gun to the heads of corporations and get them to cough up, so I'm not sure what the point is here.
which doesn't happen instantly. For example, the end of life of the old java versions (1.5, 7 and 8 etc) - plenty of companies simply just paid a support fee and get support, while others paid to upgrade (or even change stack).
Most open source software, even with lack of updates, does not immediately start failing. The huge amount of time and leeway, even with security issues, is what prevents it from being critical, and prevents OSS from causing a bankruptcy.
Me: "I think you cannot get corporations to cough up without some ridiculous extreme event like a behemoth dying. And I'm not holding my breath that would really do it."
You: "Your extreme ridiculous scenario is extremely ridiculous and here's why..."
Rinse and repeat.
Well, there's plenty of mission-critical FOSS used by plenty of companies. But you are right in that it doesn't just fail one day, and companies have plenty of time and options for dealing with abandoned FOSS.
(Which is one of the major benefits of FOSS. It's more likely with proprietary software that it can just disappear one day, with little recourse for users.)
And plenty others simply keep using the old 1.8 version because there's no budget to upgrade and there's no budget to 'pay a support fee'. And there's no budget to 'change stack'. Because... there's no budget.
Convincing people you need to upgrade or switch to keep current is often a hard problem, and sometimes has to be done with "you'll get all these new features!". But often "hey, we need some money to upgrade system X" is met with "hrm... it's software! It doesn't rot!".
> paid a support fee and get support
Sure, but that won't happen immediately when the maintainer abandons it. It might not happen at all. There's usually going to be plenty of time for a company to switch to an alternative, or even take on maintainership themselves.