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China is the one major power that doesn't seem to engage in extraterritorial assassinations, so by default I'm more inclined to at least trust that the Chinese state won't ever decide to activate a kill switch against me.

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Isn't China the one country that actively sets up their own police forces all over the world? Aren't there numerous Canadians of chinese origin that China has abducted? I see news articles of Canadians being arrested for assisting China in these abductions fairly often lately.

No, I'm pretty sure the US does more of that than China.. Or if not "police forces" then just straight-up military presence.

For actual drug dealers, not dissidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_black_sites

i think you need to be a little more critical of the media you consume

Critical of actual court cases filed by the Canadian government? Are you saying the Canadian court system is pushing an anti-China narrative?

Of course FVEY/CSIS would push anti PRC narrative. PRC's espionage behavior basically translates to "using words", it's so mild vs what others majors are doing that it needs to be characterized as "over seas police stations" to make it seem extra threatening, when it's bottom barrel espionage activity. MSS handlers using words to leverages / intimidate, to convince people to return to PRC on their own accord, i.e they're not abducting anyone let alone extrajudicial assassinate. Like the solution to countering these activities is to say... naw I'm good.

AFAICT, that's mostly propaganda. What makes them "police" centers exactly? They do not have police men in them, don't have jails, no one has been convicted of a crime in relation to them, etc. Not sure what you mean by "abductions" but if you are referring to the Canadians who was arrested on Chinese soil, one of them admitted to espionage and is even suing the Canadian government for involving him against his will.

They are called secret police centres in Canada because of the actions they pose, and the threats they make. They'll threaten to kidnap you and extrajudicially extradite you to China, they'll threaten your relatives in China, they'll force you to stop behaviours considered inappropriate by the CCP, they'll try to recruit you as a spy.

To the Chinese Communist Party, the Han ethnic group belongs to the Chinese State, and everything anyone of this ethnic background does is their business.

Some of the actions you mention would definitely be illegal and yet, no one has been prosecuted nor found guilty. In fact, the concerned centers in Canada are suing the RCMP for defamation. So you are either speculating or spreading propaganda.

But people have been charged by the Canadian government over people that have been taken to China. Referring to actual Canadian court cases that are in regards to actual people taken to China is propaganda because?

Edit: Why am I blocked from replying to the below comment?

I previously asked what you were referring to because I genuinely don't know what you are talking about. Of course I don't believe actual criminal convictions are propaganda, but there have been none in relation to the so-called "police centers".

So it goes. People have been in Guantanamo Bay for two decades without prosecution or charges.

I mean, it's not like it would be out of character. Calling such accusations propaganda is a bit much.

China forcibly returned nearly 10,000 in overseas crackdown: report

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220119-china-forcibl...

The Disappeared - China’s global kidnapping campaign has gone on for years. It may now be reaching inside U.S. borders.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-r...

Thousands of Chinese overseas forced home involuntarily: report

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Thousands-of-Chinese-overse...

40 Officers of China’s National Police Charged in Transnational Repression Schemes Targeting U.S. Residents

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/40-officers-china-s-national-...

China’s abductions of foreign nationals should carry costs and consequences

https://www.politico.eu/article/chinese-abductions-of-foreig...

> Isn't China the one country that actively sets up their own police forces all over the world?

The US does the same thing and worse, just look for the very long arm of their FBI and Secret Service when it comes to what they allege to be “cyber-crime”. A decade or so ago I was visiting my company’s ISP one morning when I manage to stumble just as some US federal agents were doing their thing among the server racks. I live in Bucharest, Romania.

Not accurate: https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-...

Examples of Extraterritorial killings and abuses listed (edited for more relevant source)

That article pretty clearly says they were assassinations within China of people who no one disputes were actual CIA spies or handlers. So at bare minimum it wasn't extraterritorial, which I understand to be the key differentiation made by GP.

Could you clarify? I see some reports of extraterritorial assaults, as well as harassment (particularly including threats against relatives within Chinese territory), but couldn't find examples of extraterritorial killings, at least with my best attempt at ctrl-f.

I'm sorry, but this is definitely not true. Have you heard about Chinese police overseas or China prosecuting "their" citizens outside of China?

I have. I just haven't heard of them resorting to assassinations. Happy to be proven wrong, but I'll need to see at least one actual example assassination.

Wait til you learn about this place called Tibet.

Right afterwards, you can learn about the place called Haiti. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or heck, Mexico. Oh, Vietnam. North-Korea. China. Japan. Wait until you learn about Chile. And do not forget to look up the meaning of 'Jakarta is coming'

BTW, before someone screams whataboutism: adjusting your worldview according to facts and applying your moral standards to all countries is not whataboutism. Its a prerequisite to being able to morally condemn any action.

I don't live in Tibet, or any other place that China might decide to invade and/or claim as its own territory.

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