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We don't really have a good name for the emotion that this article describes as "feeling Stupid".

You know what it feels like to be stupid? It feels like you are really smart! I feels like you already know all you need to know, about, say, vaccinations, or about hot to parent somebody else's children.

I'm currently a student teacher, and I'm really struggling to get this point across to my students. I'm asking them questions which make them really think, and since no other teacher has done that to them before, they feel really stupid. But they are not being stupid. If they were being stupid, they'd feel like they had it all figured out.

So yeah, there is this emotion, commonly but unfortunately called "feeling stupid", which you feel when you are trying to figure something out. What would be a good name for that emotion???

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You are likely referring to ignorance: not knowing what you don't know thus resulting in a possible false confidence.

The article is about "feeling stupid" in hindsight. Because you cannot unsee it anymore. Which makes you wonder about other myriad obvious things you are missing.

"Feeling stupid" can also mean that you get the impression that everyone around you gets it but you don't.

The irony especially in maths - it seems - is that you can feel stupid because you don't get it and then quit but also keep feeling stupid if you finally got it because in hindsight everything falls so neatly into place that you can't imagine that you had so much trouble to get it in the first place!

anticipation of cluefulness? epistemic frustration? temporarily embarrassed expertise?

perplexed?

Ideally it should cover TC-ST’s emotions as expressed in

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41548104

(Mulling/marvelling ATM how wikipedia talkpages, mastodon, o1, or HN are all inadequate for the kind of conversations we all hope for, something about the tension between sublimating koinonia & prowess-seeking)

EDIT Getting a bit selfreferential here too https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41567018

EDIT 2: “barely bottled in-game insanity” could work

on mulling/marveling:

a) FPD read the Glass Bead Game, and instead of fixating on the game itself as I have done, noticed how the conversations tended toward an ideal (also, IIRC, recommended in the NE): https://franklin.dyer.me/post/123

b) etymologically, companions eat bread together, and symposia involve drinking. Maybe a problem with digital fora is that although we may have moved on from grooming and nitpicking, we still require at least a minial amount of analogue ingestion and imbibing for conviviality? (in the dating context, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=910852 )

EDIT: Re: "barely bottled in-game insanity", either someone needs to tell Stross that Series Landys don't have ignition buttons, or I need to accept the foreshadowing and realise that detail was an early in-story clue of power of eldritch horrors* to transmute and pervert even the most solid basis of innate rural goodness.

* in the world of the Laundry; in our world it was Tata who added the buttons

Tata the ferrous conglomerate? Do you have a cite

https://www.jaguarlandrover.com/overview#:~:text=subsidiary%...

Aah, I thought you were hinting at malfeasance by TM. Lumpers girl, is hardly mentioned by Farina without dubbies also indicated; secretarial skills hinted at at least once.

Malfeasance? TM evidently believes that in this century a Landy is fated to be a Chelsea tractor; from YT videos (which only show inanimate gear, not sheep or goats or anything practical) it appears they expect that one ought to rinse whatever one is transporting off before stowing it in the boot — completely backwards.

There is a very boomer joke, probably at least fifty years old by now, which involves a (male, of course) boss who interviews 3 (female, of course) secretarial candidates, and maybe there's some WPM involved, but he also gives them each a pile of cash as part of the interview.

One goes to the track, one invests in the overnight market, etc.

So which one does he hire?

The one with the most wood in front of the hut.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSBb8ESt96g

Btw, i wasnt suggesting that you pair HN with EtOH like tptacek does — loading up on a few yt rhymes should achieve the same effect for you? Conviviality without killing any brain cells..

Blonde is americain? The tattooed guy, alpine accent?

Hey. I paired a block party with HN. I do not generally pair HN and drinking!

If Herodotus is to be believed, ancient persians might've read their HN replies twice, either sober then drunk, or drunk then sober, before hitting the "reply" button.

https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext...

Herodotus can suck it. I think I prefer plan (A) though!

Aah pls pardon the calumny! (I enjoyed the few times when you were somewhat explicit about taking a choice cut of the truth, presumably encouraged by diluted ethanol)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28178181

secret tip: if I'm posting between 6PM and 10PM on Friday or Saturday, (a) make fun of me for posting on Friday or Saturday night, and (b) i've probably had something high-proof to drink. I only drink on weekends, which is awesome and everyone should try it.

before we can accurately mock, we'll need to know your exact time zone...

(I'm guessing North America?)

Both austrian: Gina Lampl and Albert-Mario Lampel

The singers rotate pretty frequently, but the core of their line up has stayed reasonably constant since they were much younger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMUOiaHPA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuE61wqeoA

Hill accent of styria?

Could not find one for Gina tho

Gini sings in english, but it looks like she's also Styrian: https://ginimusic.at/presse/

Did you get to/understand the bra story from the Radio Melody interview?

(AML was sticking to high german for the interview; for a better example of his dialect listen to the intro to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwQ1icECNg , handily subtitled in what we call "writing german")

[I can't tell but suspect the tractor there, despite being in Deere livery, is a Steyr as well]

Incidentally, Radio Melody also interviewed Gölä*, which gives me an excuse to point you at the yodel-crossover version of "Indian": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLTLlGCknUw

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltXpMuH8SI4

* this is the local word for, not shit in general, but specifically the slurry with which fields are fertilised. Durrenmatt also uses it in "The Visit" (1956), but names his town Güllen — dialect being oral and not written, orthography often has a few local conventions but otherwise, as english orthography once was, is up to personal taste.

Wow, what does the Missus think? If i cant tell a thick styrian accent from a lowland accent (of the interviewer?) i should leave the understanding of cultures via natural language to more competent folks :)

(To my nondefence, dialect means accent in England, e,g, one would say that the young E2R spoke a Saxon dialect)

Anyways, to try & adhere to a proper division of labor (mine lot is to safely dispose of spilled ink) herewith is summarized my latest attempt at designori integration (more to unpack moving forwards)

How to effectively fund research from the bottom-up? To improve on VDH, in the horizonal Union, your research pays the hoi polloi to be entertained! It is said Mondragonese labor hires capital, can we refine (i,e, “sophisticate the sophistry”) this! Proles hire technicians who hire fonders who hire growth engineers who hire capital! Keep candidates few & condorcet becomes ideal!

(Romer & Veblen have a common thread that human capital have a tendency to be destroyed in the OC.. perhaps you’d like to reply to the hot thread on ShowRunning, while i further refine my understanding of designori in the HolyWoods)

Edit: it is my understanding that present day academia favors destruction of human capital.

I'll ask her this evening, but can confidently predict now she'll wonder why I don't spot the austrian right off the bat (a local pastime, after having passed another group on the trail and greeted, is to spend the next 5-10 minutes discussing where they were probably from on the basis of these few words).

It's my understanding that the old E2R had shifted from cut glass RP towards a more generic BBC (although not lerped all the way to Jafaican, or even MLE)?

German dialect variance is probably closer to standard english vs irish english (in which "a ride" may be an action but may also refer to animate objects, specifically an attractive person, and furthermore even borrows some grammatical constructions from the gaelic)? Compare the range between SAE vs AAVE.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9dRmnlWJY is an example of the same interviewer employing a broader (too far east for my ear to place) dialect; presumably in the AML interview he had also been accommodating by hewing closer to swiss standard german.

EDIT2: and for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogpYWKpYVaw&t=40s (with an eastern german singer) he starts in dialect for the introduction to his audience, but then immediately switches to a very standard german for the interview qs posed to her.

> "Sophistication? Don't talk to me about sophistication, love. I've been to Leeds." —HRE

He might well be a native of St Gallen (raided by horse-borne Magyar in 926)

From Mary of Teck (grandmothertongue, not RP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO9VEfOeOxo&t=2m9s

"More Austrian you cannot get. They speak not German, none of them." —my unindicted co-conspirator

Perplexed!!!!!!! That is exactly the right word. It has no negative connotations like “bewildered” or “stupid” does, so it’s ok for them to self-describe as “perplexed” in a way because it is not self-denigrating like “stupid” is.

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