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Dozens of Hezbollah members said to be seriously injured as devices explode

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Were these compromised during supply chain, small explosives inserted. Or were they able to make the factory standard batteries explode, some sort of zero day to control the charging circuitry?

Factory batteries couldn’t have exploded with that much force. Military grade explosives were also recovered from some unexploded devices.

Title should change from dozens to thousands (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyl9048gx8t). And there's no indication that all of them were Hezbollah members.

Yes as it stands it's propaganda. Expected given the source

The source is also updated.

Could you be more specific?

The source, Times of Israel, who provided the liveblog linked to at the top of this thread. They said dozens at the same time sources like Reuters also said dozens, then later they said thousands around the same time other sources did - including at the time of your reply. You can see for yourself on their home page: https://www.timesofisrael.com/several-killed-thousands-hurt-...

I was referring to the article, linked by this post. You highlighting another part of the website trying to do a "gotcha" is quite disingenuous

The link in the post is to a specific point in a live blog. It will forever and always be a snapshot of that moment in time, as you can see at the top of that page. Here’s a link to a moment in time when Reuters was also reporting dozens, they of course also updated since then: https://x.com/Reuters/status/1836031152869581310

Why Times of Israel isn't a legit source? It reports on main news in the region. Given a location of the newspaper in a democratic country and being it mainstream news in Israel, I don't see a reason to classify it as propaganda source. If you compare it to Al Jazeera which isn't published in a democratic country, which one would you believe?

  > And there's no indication that all of them were Hezbollah members.

Hezbollah runs a parallel communications network in Lebanon. Nobody but Hezbollah members would have these devices or even be able to connect to the network,

In the Arabic news, which I read as well, there are reports of an 8 year old girl killed. Other than that, it seems that 10 to 12 Hezbollah operatives were killed and over 2700 injured - 1000 seriously. That is a calculated risk that civilians will be injured or killed. Hezbollah recently bombed a playground in Israel and killed 12 or 13 children playing football. So if this attack prevents just one additional successful Hezbollah attack it is a net win.

You should know that most of the north of Israel have been evacuated for months due to Hezbollah fire. They rain dozens to hundreds of missiles on Israel every day, for almost an entire year now.

> You should know that most of the north of Israel have been evacuated for months due to Hezbollah fire. They rain dozens to hundreds of missiles on Israel every day, for almost an entire year now.

The bombing of a playground in Israel that killed children in July are tragic [0]. De-escalation should be a priority for all parties involved.

But, we need to acknowledge that both sides have engaged in attacks that have resulted in civilian casualties and widespread displacement.

According to recent data on cross-border attacks between Israel and Lebanon from October 2023 to June 2024 [1]:

| Category | Total | Israeli | Lebanese | |----------|-------|---------|----------| | Attacks | 7,400 | 83% | 17% | | Deaths | 564 | 4% | 96% |

[0]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/27/israel-says-10-kill... [1]: https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/INTERAC...

Yes, statistics and lies. The Israeli attacks have been against military targets and weapons depots, even when those weapons depots are in civilian infrastructure. The vast, vast majority of Hezbollah attacks have been against civilian infrastructure with no military value.

I'm sure the other side believes the same

No, actually, they don't. Go read some Lebanese newspapers - they are more critical of Hezbollah (and sometimes Iran) than are Israel.

Unless by "the other side" you mean Hezbollah and Iran. I'd love to hear your defense of them. Is Hezbollah protecting Lebanon by getting involved? Do you believe that they are they "on the road to AlQuds (Jerusalem)", as they say?

They don’t, and they actively advertise that fact…

There is a significant evidence that these specifically targeted pagers were used by Hezbollah only. I don't think there is much reason for Israel to blatantly blow up random pagers. Israel isn't fighting the Lebanese people, but specifically fighting against Hezbollah

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