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> Expecting "realism" and coherency from a fantasy world destroys the fantasy.

That certainly isn’t the case for The Lord of the Rings and the rest of Tolkien’s development of his world.

Depends on what type of realism you are talking about. The details are very scant on for example how Shire is politically set up and how the farming in general work and supply lines and all such things.

I wouldn't count sparse details as lacking realism. (I'm not defending the premise of LOTR being realistic.)

Since the planet is covered with independently evolved farming communities, I think it's plenty realistic to allow one in a book.

So why are Bilbo and Frodo not spending all of their time on fields? Why are they not starving when coming back? What do the other hobbits trade food for, is there some trade for metal implements or something?

Because they are landed gentry. The Gamgees and other working class hobbits do the field work. Bilbo was wealthy even before his adventure. Pippin and Merry are also members of the aristocracy. Farmer Maggot was something more or less like a yeoman farmer.

The Shire is, in basically every respect, including its economics, an idealized version of the English countryside.

Ah, so that’s why Sam calls Frodo ‘Mister Frodo’

Apart from Sam, who is a peasant, Gandalf, who is a demigod, and Frodo, who is landed gentry with close familial ties to the local aristocracy, everyone in the company is an aristrocat: Legolas is the son of a king, Pippin and Boromir are heirs apparent to the local representative of the absent king, Aragorn is pretender to the throne of said king, Merry is heir apparent to the second most important local ruler after Pippin's father, and Gimli is a member of Durins house.

There's actually a staggering amount of thought and detail in the logistics of Middle Earth, but you have to dig into a wide variety of sources to access it. These details informed his story but didn't make it into the plot of LOTR, for obvious reasons. "In Deep Geek" is one youtube channel I enjoy for learning about things like Aragorn's tax policy or the economics of the Shire, if you have a an interest but lack the time/obsession to piece it together yourself.

The details may be scant but you can see the outlines of history there. Tolkien doesn’t invent social structures, he adapts European history and only uses the elements he needs.

https://nathangoldwag.wordpress.com/2024/05/31/the-moral-eco...

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