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Let us not forget Unreal which was arguably better than quake at the time from a technology standpoint...

However, I find that the gaming experience peaked with Unreal Tournament. Its been about appearance over substance since (apart from tribes 2).

Stop whinging about the tech and make something fun again!

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The orignal UT was so fun. The later ones tried to be Halo and suffered for it.

I liked UT in its day, but isn't TF2 the current gold-standard?

Depends if you like hats :)

I don't :(

Actually I was a little disappointed by all the upselling when they made it free to play on Steam.

UT was "buy CD for 20 quid" and then waste 4 years of my life (and many vodka and dominos soaked attendances as Multiplay i-series events in the UK).

The UT and Q3A days were a classic time for competitive PC gaming! I loved them both but Q3 (specifically duelling) had an extra touch of class in my eyes.

TF2 is a weird one. I think it's undoubtedly a 10/10 game, but all the evolution since release has made the experience a bit "bloated", to use a normal software term. It's almost as if the game has had too much support for its own good.

I can see where you are coming from, but those extra stuff does add depth to the game once you learn all the new weapons. Granted, this is coming from somebody who plays a lot of TF2, but the "too many options" problem goes away certainly after 30 hours of playing, and often much less.

TF2 is a very different style of FPS, except maybe for scout and soldier.

When I tried playing it, it was a very confusing experience. The built in tutorial was very simple, and the actual game didn't resemble it much at all. I gave up.

I think what has multiplied the confusion factor in the years since it was released (can you believe the game came out in 2007?) is the... culture that has sprung up around it, fueled by a unique feedback loop between fans and Valve. There's this whole strange world of hats, crafting, backstories, inside jokes, Australia, and hats that has coalesced, making it about as culturally daunting for a newcomer as an established Blizzard game.

This feedback loop has evolved what was once billed as a "class-based team action game" to, and I quote Valve's official PR, "America's favorite war-themed hat simulator." I'm not kidding.

At the same time, I can get on and play for 20 minutes with my friend in a different city, and we have a great time on public servers. If you want to get really into it, you can. I haven't spent any additional money on it since I bought it in 2007, and it's still a riot.

Sure, there's some cultural stuff that you'll have to get used to (and will become apparent) as you play more, but it's not nearly as much of a commitment as, say, WoW. A newbie (to the game, not to FPSes) can pick it up and play immediately at a fairly decent level. At the same time, there's a rich culture and stories and little things you can discover, if you care enough to spend the time finding them. If not, you can just blow some stuff up and go about your day.

I think you nailed it there. I agree entirely. I occasionally crank up original UT and play on Facing Worlds for a bit ;-)

Ahhh facing worlds. I loved playing sniper on that map. Not as challenging as some of the other maps but tons of fun.

I am a bit sad that UT3 was such a commercial failure, because it went back to the old UT feel in many aspects.

Also, it had the hoverboard, which made VCTF so much more fun. It didn't reintroduce the Ripper, though.

I actually still play UT99 daily! There's still a fairly competitive community where we hold tournaments and stuff.

Plus, I'm developing something (long-awaited) for UT99 called NewNet (similar to Lotus's UT2004 UTComp mod) that eliminates all movement lag and simulates zero ping server-side. And at some point I'd love to create something similar to QuakeLive (Quake via the browser, with tons of stats tracking and stuff) for UT99.

For a 13 year old game, it's still more fun than most games out there if you ignore the trolls.

Great stuff. Might dig out my CD later!

Thanks for keeping it going :)

If anyone is interested in our little community, it's mostly on irc.globalgamers.net within the following channels: #tdmpickups, #iPug, #mlut, and #mlig. Basically you join pickup games (aka pugs) - 4v4, 5v5, etc. - using an IRC bot that keeps track of everything, captains choose teams, select a server, everyone enters, ready-up, and may the best fraggers win. And of course hilarity ensues on IRC afterwards. ;)

I misread your comment several times before I consulted Wikipedia to find some clarifications. It might be the case that others need the same clarifications as me, so I might as well post them here:

* Quake was released June 1996

* Quake II was released November 1997

* Unreal was released May 1998

So, the Quake "at that time" is Quake II. Just to clarify :)

"Make something fun" needs no clarification, though. That one needs agreement ;)

fair point! I'll give you that :)

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