Ask HN: Who Is OpenAI's O1 For?
It's more expensive, can handle edge case (albeit embarassing) questions, but still makes errors. Where would you use this in production that you wouldn't use 4o, vanilla or fine-tuned?
For who and what is this for?
For who and what is this for?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-11/openai-fu...
Let’s be clear—software engineers aren’t going anywhere. AI might be a tool, but it can’t replace the expertise and critical thinking that engineers bring to the table. The constant loop of “You’re absolutely correct, and I apologize for the oversight in my previous response. [Let me make another guess.]” only highlights how much AI still relies on guesswork rather than true understanding. It’s laughable to think that engineers are “cooked” when these models can’t even tell fact from fiction reliably. Engineers aren’t the ones who are “cooked”—it’s the hype around AI that’s overdone.
(Okay, yeah, I mean, I did have to specifically demand pushback -- Gemini took it too seriously and started talking mad shit: https://i.vgy.me/WHRZD7.png )
"White collar work" is no less cooked than horse & buggy drivers were when the car was invented. They'll still have jobs, they'll just be doing the same thing but for a new technology.
Either creating data for the AI, interpreting data from the AI, or developing further AIs and that's only the single surface level that works with AI. You are still going to have 'human touch' jobs where an AI or robot is unable or disallowed from doing because of tastes (ie: someone prefers a human do it; childcare, cooking, etc.), boundary-passing (ie: there is no data yet on how to do a certain task), or sensitive (ie: working with sensitive content or at a top-secret site).
I don't predict we are going to have AIs negotiating or interpreting contracts single-handedly unsupervised. We aren't going to see self-piloting planes that have no human workers onboard.
With that said, the job market will be more tight because we'll just need less people because 'shit work' & glue work will be largely done by AI. Short of a nuclear war, developed countries' governments are going to need to come up with something fast if they want to stay.
Why do I feel this way? Because I expect significant improvement from Orion, and I don’t think it will stop improving after that.
Could you share the scientific basis for this expectation? Something other than pure hype from OpenAI would be good.
By that time I really hope we will have some sort if UBI, so at least we won’t starve to death.
Most software teams can pretty much run themselves and the only real use a SWE manager has imo is running interference because the rest of the company are morons and/or chaotic and being the gopher for things the team needs. I think a manager who isn't also participating in the work should be removed as they are a net-negative.
If the rest of the company is calm and sane, in my opinion, you could have a team with senior+ ICs that take turns doing planning or doing a collaborative planning.
You just said developers will be gone in 2-3 years. There won't be any humans to manage. Did you mean you'll be a SWE manager of LLMs?
Yes, hopefully for a couple more years until such managers are themselves automated.
Respectfully, short of actually providing a shred of convincing evidence that isn't backed by your feelings, the plights of the mediocre are deserving of intense derision.
Your idiotic demoralization of those starting their careers will not fester into the industry. The mods will ban my account here before than happens.