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They’re also incredibly non-diverse and complain about big tech being non-diverse.

Always the same story... A few years ago a big left French newspaper (Libération) always pushing for "diversity" published a photo of their staff, which was like 98- 100% white.

thats called projection

“Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most

https://www.nytco.com/2023-new-york-times-diversity-and-incl...

The my don’t complain about tech being non-diverse, they report that it is non-diverse - which is true.

60% white is much whiter than a tech company

Why is the color important here?

Because dei and the nyt focus on that being important.

If you read some of the linked articles off of the one posted a few comments back, then you will see that the recent cuts have disproportionately affected minorities, minorities are making less, and that minorities are receiving lower evaluation scores. So it seems they do have a diversity problem.

perhaps diversity has a performance problem.

I want to see the actual studies that the guild has used to generate the numbers for their claims so I can see what possible mechanisms might be at play and what sort of level setting they've done for the data. Unfortunately, I didn't see any of the studies released.

It’s “true” only according to a custom definition of diversity common in newsrooms and universities - but not, apparently, the Times’s own diversity report - where some groups which become too included no longer count as diverse. I think this standard, whereby I’ve had a non-white yet non-diverse manager for 95% of my career, deserves an extraordinary amount of scrutiny.

>> “Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most

Absolutely not. This is typical trickery of stats. They have diversity at lower levels. But unlike SV almost no diversity at senior ranks. I think its past time that we consider janitorial and admin jobs as a win. If we have legions of educated minorities, why aren't they making it into executive roles at the NY Times?

Here is the exec staff: https://www.nytco.com/company/people/ "Filter by executive"

There are >64 million Hispanics living in the United States, yet not a single one on the NYT exec team.

They have 1 token asian,

1 token black person.

That is not "Better position than most." That seems like 3x worse than your average tech firm.

A citizen journalist I follow on YouTube pointed out that for having 5900 employees, they have fewer than 10 who are veterans. It explains why they get so much wrong when reporting on the military.

I opened the link and filtered by executive. Thirteen people there: - 5 white men - 4 white women - 1 black man - 2 black women - 1 asian woman

Pretending that a sample size of 12 should exactly reflect the diversity of the whole population of the country is just weird to me.

I'm sure that both of those people would feel very vindicated in their career knowing that the person advocating for further affirmative action calls them "tokens".

Is big tech non-diverse? It seems to have a higher non-white population than the US itself according the numbers I've been able to find. If we count contractors and off-shore, it will become even less white. I'd bet tech has a higher proportion of LGBT+ people as well (without looking at numbers, admittedly, but I'd be surprised if I was wrong). Gender diversity is an issue; but not for lack of trying. Cis women are probably 5% of the resumes I see.

In my SV teams over the years, I'd say that the straight white male US born people were ~20% of the engineers.

in terms of binary black-white thinking, NYT is definitely more diverse than tech

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