Honestly crazy to me that people will pay 700 for a Playstation instead of 8-900 for a pc
There's also the matter of the user experience, the fact that a lot of people have a large catalog of games on the PS platform.
On the other hand, there's a lot of stuff that can be done on a PC that's just impossible on a console.
On the one hand, the console is a bargain. On the other, not nearly as much. Apples, oranges.
Playnite is no match at all for the PS5 interface, which also handles streaming apps, which Playnite does not from what I can tell. I use both and know very well. The last place a user wants to deal with buggy behavior (bug right now in Playnite where I won't be able to use controller to move to the top bar in Playnite) or a manual touch to get things going the right way (Windows multi-display behavior is insanely bad, you need a Playnite plugin to fix it so things always launch on the TV and not the monitor, but you have to assign this for each new game) is entertainment center UX.
Not such a big deal if you’re using the computer for other stuff, but a 2nd living room PC just never made sense to me.
A console is still a more streamlined experience, but you get 90% of the way there with Steam BP, plus you have a general purpose computer as well.
But you spent more for the PC.. Different priorities for different people, for sure..
Oh come on, really? Big Picture is on par or arguably better than the PS4 interface was, and way better than previous generation consoles, and those all sold very well to the "general consumer"...
I think you're just trying to argue for argument's sake here...
I picked 90% as an arbitrary number, so you're literally arguing against a made up number..
My point to the GP was that gaming on PC doesn't have to be "Windows, keyboards and mice" and there's a perfectly good, and polished, store/couch/controller experience available to anyone who wants it, even if consoles are still incrementally better.
I'm telling you for a fact that almost all the people I interact with day to day RE games don't give a shit how good or accessible PC gaming is now. They're going to buy a console no matter what. That's the general consumer I'm talking about.
I'll come back to this and eat my words if this thing doesn't sell out. I think they've got more money than sense personally.
If the answer is "yes" then I would say Steam is 100% of the way there. In that case the slight overhead of a desktop OS is not an issue.
Windows gaming is unstable AF, games crash, peripherals don't work, wifi and firewall issues galore. You won't know until you install all 160 gigs.
Linux games work when they work. If its linux compatible or runs on Proton, you are fine. However, not all games are like this. Your favorite 22 year old game, probably wont run, even with proton.
PC gaming usually means more freedom but also more responsibility:
- Windows wants to update random stuff all the time
- Other person can't hear me. 5 different software apps want to install their own audio mixer apps
- Game overlay bars - Steam, Epic Games, Windows, Nvidia, all have in-game overlay bars that have to be disabled
- Drivers, drivers, drivers
- Many others.
On the flip side, I wanted to game at 120 - 240 FPS and PC made this easier. For console games, you have to wait for the game developer to support 120 FPS mode and they never do more than 120 (because most people lack high refresh TV's / monitors anyway)
I've got like 3 apps trying to hijack either Print Screen or the Xbox Controller big center button.
Obviously it's not gonna work for everybody and everything. Depending on what you want to do it might be harder to setup. If you have games from platforms other than Steam you are gonna have a worse time. Also, if you insist on streaming you are gonna be limited to 720p on most services due to DRM (though you can delegate that to a smart TV). And if your hardware isn't quite Linux friendly it will probably end up being more trouble than windows.
On the flip side, if you can't build such a machine now, you never have to invest any time in learning by just buying a console. Your money will get you a little less (because of the "console tax") but it's available right now.
With PS5 Pro, we are upgrading to a GPU that
has 67% more Compute Units than the current PS5
console and 28% faster memory. Overall, this
enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay,
making the experience much smoother.
Searching for "gaming PC" on Slickdeals and taking the first few non-laptop deals, I see:
iBUYPOWER TraceMesh Gaming Desktop:
i7-13700F, RTX 4060, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD
$899
CyberPowerPC Desktop: i5 14400F,
32GB RAM, 2TB SSD, RTX 4060
$850
PS5 Pro has a much better GPU than the current PS5. It’s not fair to compare current HW with unreleased hardware, but at release PS5 Pro is going to be quite competitive for a little while.
That sets an upper bound for the performance increase we can expect, does it not? I certainly doubt they'd be underselling the perf gains.
45% faster rendering would get it up to about the performance of an RTX 4060 from what I'm seeing.
If that's true, this is certainly a solid upgrade. I don't play a lot of AAA games but my RTX 4060 can do 1080p @ 60-144fps at mostly maxed settings. Whereas stock PS5 certainly seems to struggle to hit that. (If I understand correctly, I could use the magic upscaling crap to get similar results at 4K but haven't had the inclination to mess with it)
So, it’s a different architecture not just a speed bump. That said, I agree in general it’s going to be worse than a 4070ti but every architecture has its quirks.
It comes with a screen, keyboard, and semi-functional OS(Win 11), but you can always install Fedora on it.
The PS5? The article didn't list the vram. It has some video games, unlike a general purpose laptop that has every computer. If you get access to LLMs or AI art, it is at Sony's will and I doubt they are paying the CUDA premium.
I think this is an education thing. Some low-information person just wants a gaming machine. They don't compare, they just go with something trustworthy where they can play fifa with their high school friends. I have a hard time thinking this is anything other than a failure in information. A more informed person would never this.
But, I did misread the price, I stumbled across the Australia pricing somehow. And if we ask any Australian I’m sure they will tell us that paying Australian electronics prices is a nightmare.
It is funny that the PS4 and the PS4 pro seem to have had very similar release prices. Although I vaguely remember that they might have had to drop the PS4 price pretty soon after release? It was a while ago, though…