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I may be mistaken, but I believe type switches in Go address this criticism:

    type Fruit struct {
        Name    string
        Species string
    }

    // define a method on Fruit structs named Rename
    func (f *Fruit) Rename(s string) {
        f.Name = s
    }

    type Candy struct {
        Name    string
        Company string
    }

    // define a method on Candy structs named Rename
    func (c *Candy) Rename(s string) {
        c.Name = s
    }

    // any type that defines a method named Rename is also 
    // of type Renamable.
    type Renamable interface {
        Rename(string)
    }

    // produce something that implements Renamable.  Its   
    // fields will be unknown, but the method Rename will be 
    // known to exist.
    func SomeProducer(...) Renamable {
        ...
    }

    x := SomeProducer(...)
    // at this point, x is of type Renamable.  We do not 
    // know what fields it has.  The only thing we know is 
    // that it has some method named Rename that takes a 
    // single string for its only argument and returns 
    // nothing.

    switch t := x.(type) {
    case Fruit:
        // T is of type Fruit, while x is of type Renamable
        fmt.Print(t.Species)
    case Candy:
        // T is of type Candy, while x is of type Renamable
        fmt.Print(t.Company)
    default:
        // some other type.
    }

it's in the Switch section of the Go spec: http://golang.org/ref/spec#Switch_statements

Not exactly. You see, you have to define new types from scratch with your approach. With Haskell's approach, you just have to use the Maybe parametric type, which just needs to be defined once. In other words, you just go and use a generic type instead of writing your own, like new List<Integer> instead of new ListInteger in Java.

unless I'm missing something, that seems to address a separate difference in the specifics of Go and Haskell's type systems, namely that Go's interfaces and Haskell's sum types are different. Yes, they're different. I really only meant to say that the article is predicated on the notion that we're only able to branch on booleans instead of predicates. As for checking for null values...

    var x *MyType

    ...

    switch x {
    case nil:
        // blah
    default:
        // blah
    }

tada, no boolean required, no having to "establish the provenance" of any bits. Sure, inside the nil case, the compiler doesn't actually stop you from unsafely attempting to access the fields of x, and, in that way, Haskell is safer than Go.

I'm not trying to assert that Go is better than Haskell or that they are the same; I've never programmed Haskell so I'm not qualified to make such a statement. I'm merely addressing the specific "Boolean Blindness" criticism.

I don't really think that criticism is in any way valid, since "Boolean Blindness" isn't a criticism of a language design, it's a criticism of how one might use a particular language. To say that Go committed "Boolean Blindness" is predicated on the following assumptions:

- you can only branch on a boolean

- given a value and a type, the only thing you can do is obtain a boolean indicating whether or not that value is of that type

as far as Go is concerned, those statements are factually inaccurate.

Given some variable `x` of unknown type, and a type `t`, is there some way, in Haskell, to create a boolean `v` such that the value of `v` is `true` when `x` is of type `t` and `false` otherwise? And if so, is there some way to branch on this boolean value `v`? Because if that is true, then how has Haskell not committed the same atrocity of "Boolean Blindness"?

> tada, no boolean required, no having to "establish the provenance" of any bits. Sure, inside the nil case, the compiler doesn't actually stop you from unsafely attempting to access the fields of x,

But you do have to establish the provenance of your conditional. You have to keep track of whether you compared against nil yourself.

Whether this is expressed as if(x != nil) or as a boolean-blind switch case, the information is lost and it is up to the user to keep track of the meaning of 'x' under all the conditions it is run.

Of course Haskell is capable of expressing boolean blind and unsafe code. But Haskell, unlike go is also capable of expressing non-blind, safe code.

Go is only able to express boolean blind code (again, it is not about a boolean condition but about whether branching buys you type information). When you compare against nil, it is up to you to keep track of the provenance.

it is up to the user to keep track of the meaning of 'x' under all the conditions it is run

OK, so it's a bit like you're chaining assumptions together, rather than putting them next to one another? This makes Monads, esp. `>>=`, make a bunch more sense to me.

Like, the difference is between chaining/linking two operations (incl. checking what `x` is), by using the result of one check as the input to the other, and basically putting two operations next to one another (not to say that the `if` is meaningless, just that once the `if` is evaluated, the associated block has to take the `if`'s word for it).

The bonus is that Haskell handles the first part, the check, for you if you let it. It's an implicit (well sorta) and immutable precondition to whatever's next, at a logical/linguistic level.

And I guess the reason why booleans in particular are problematic is because you're sorta bolting them on, and they inherently compress information into yes/no, which is otherwise not terribly useful for the block following?

> You have to keep track of whether you compared against nil yourself.

that's true in the case of comparing against nil, which I've already agreed with. I never said that Go is as safe as or safer than Haskell, I said that your assertion that there's "no way to branch and get type information" is a factual inaccuracy that misrepresents the language.

The fact that you haven't commented on type switches in any way shows that you're not really interested in anything other than your own sense of superiority.

Haskell is a better programming language. As a programmer of a programming language that is not Haskell, I am inferior to you.

There.

It's not just comparing against nil, it's any comparison or switch-case besides a type-switch.

A type-switch seems to be non-boolean-blind indeed, but it seems to have too much syntactic overhead, as Go code generally uses if branches when a type-safe case is due (e.g: When analyzing return codes).

I _think_ the complaint is the following:

if x == nil { x.doSomethingCrazy(); // Runtime error? } else { ... }

"Boolean blindness" (bah) is that either the type system should catch this at compile time (because we know x is nil), or the language should make it impossible to phrase (pattern matching to pull the information out, such as with the Maybe type).

Go has many type system oddities (reflection instead of generics, for instance), but the things they _have_ done (auto-implementation of interfaces, for example) are pretty cool.

I find it unforgivable for a language in 2012 to repeat decades old design mistakes, and for no apparent benefit.

What's worse is that it appears this was all done out of ignorance, not conscious choice.

You think Rob Pike and Ken Thompson made what you consider a mistake out of ignorance? Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a mistake.

What benefit does it have? What purpose does it serve?

As far as I know, these guys have a reputation in industry moreso than in academic circles. It seems entirely believable that they have taken no interest in language design outside of industry, where the state of the art lags a few decades behind that of academia.

The benefit is not having to code it. The most bug-free components are the ones that aren't there. Also, it's only v1. I don't think anybody's said that they're opposed to putting it in, so give it time. Maybe file a feature request.

I think if they add sum types and pattern matching or otherwise make this feature possible, it will completely change the way people write Go code and it would become a very different language.

Consider all the error-checks in Go -- these are all incorrect from a boolean-blindness perspective, and that would be a lot of code to rewrite if they add proper constructs to Go. Thus, I really believe it is just a mistake -- one that is only possible to make out of ignorance.

Because Go is concurrent and has mutable types, race conditions could cause the assumptions gleaned from the booleans to be false in the very next statement. Boolean blindness is a result of the language.

No, that's false -- consider the Maybe case. If you carry around the content of the Maybe, it will still remain valid even after the Maybe itself is overwritten. Races are of course still possible but they don't relate to boolean blindness.

So you want to copy the data every time there's an if? Some other part of the program could have a pointer to it otherwise.

Disclaimer: I love Go and the more I learn about Haskell the more I love it, as well.

So is the distinction here that, basically, you push the distinction between a "nothing" and a "something" down into the language layer? IOW, the `if isJust mx` is the programmer trying to reason about a type, whereas `case mx of` is delegating that reasoning to the compiler/language?

In general I think that's a good principle, but at least in this example I don't quite grok why `if isJust mx` is out-and-out unsafe. Maybe this is just because the (heh) Maybe example is too simple to illustrate the unsafeness.

It does seem more error prone in practice, in terms of engineering & maintenance (read: more likely to lead to bugs). `isJust mx` means you are methodically separating out the verification of what type it is from the access and usage of that type, and since this is all happening at the program layer, you've got to keep the assumptions in your `if` consistent with the assumptions of your type. Conversely the `case of mx` statement leverages the type system to do the work for you.

I'll try to put it another way: the code inside your `if isJust` clause is not semantically related to the clause itself except in the most superficial way. However, with `case mx of`, those clauses are inextricably related since you've (again) pushed the semantics of checking the type and unboxing it down a layer, into Haskell.

Am I anywhere close?

I may have been slightly misleading if I implied "isJust" is unsafe. It is perfectly safe. What's unsafe is "fromJust" which crashes at runtime if the Maybe value is in fact a Nothing. "isJust" is code-smell because it means you're likely to need a "fromJust" later.

The problem is: What if the condition is changed later? What if you use "fromJust" in the else branch? What if the code is moved around outside of the condition's scope?

The above is meant to illustrate that the "isJust/fromJust" anti-pattern is out-and-out unsafe. You get no compile-time assurances. If you avoid "fromJust" altogether (and equivalent constructs, of course), you have a 100% guarantee that you will not crash from expecting a Just where there's a Nothing (IOW, nil dereference).

Additionally, "Just" and "Nothing" are data constructors (can be viewed as value tags) within the Maybe type, they are not "types" themselves.

Except for these points, I think you are generally describing it correctly.

This kind of thing (avoiding boolean blindness) as well as a few more safety nets in Haskell is the reason lots of Haskell code is said to Just work once it compiles.

OK, yes, I can see how `fromJust`, more specifically, is the unsafe part. You're dereferencing a pointer which is probably non-nil but the compiler can't tell you because you've insisted on checking it manually rather than communicating your intent to the compiler more directly.

So when you say "avoid fromJust," the alternative in practice is to use pattern matching, yes? The example you used above was a case statement. A guard clause is another obvious one, as are additional clauses (?) in a function.

There are many alternatives to fromJust. They are all essentially implemented on top of the safe primitive: pattern-matching.

Guard clauses in Haskell are actually boolean conditionals, and are boolean-blind.

Safe pattern-matching can be done via the function definition sugar:

  f Nothing = ...
  f (Just x) = ...

Which is equivalent to a "case".

The various functions that work with a Maybe value make it non-tedious to do things. For example, instead of:

  case mx of
    Just x -> Just (x + 1)
    Nothing -> Nothing

You can write:

  fmap (+1) mx

Additionally, (>>=), fromMaybe and many other useful functions exist, and they're all based on safe pattern-matching.

Very interesting concept - thanks. It's stuff like this that makes reading comments worthwhile.

I guess I don't understand the difference between have a typed Go pointer and asking if it is null or not. Nil is nothing, a non-nil value means you can use it. I feel like I'm probably missing a piece of this and I feel dumb about it, sorr I'm not groking it.

Every time you dereference a pointer in any language with a null pointer type, you're implicitly admitting the chance of a failure (panic, exception, ...). With a sum type (like Maybe or option in ML), you never have this possibility; you have to handle the two cases (null and not-null) separately, and the compiler checks to ensure that you can never use the pointer unless you're in the not-null branch. What Bob Harper is talking about is that, in for example Go, you can write this:

    if x == nil {
        ... use x ...
    }

Which is of course a bug. What you meant to write is:

    if x != nil {
        ... use x ...
    }

But the Go compiler cannot check this in the general case. However, in ML or Haskell, it's easy. This does not compile, because the type of x will be option<T> instead of T:

    match x with
    | None -> ... (* use x *)
    | Some _ -> () (* do nothing *)

But this does compile:

    match x with
    | None -> () (* do nothing *)
    | Some y -> ... (* use y *)

Because the type of y will be T instead of option<T>.

I understand. I guess I don't do even FP to find that to be terribly important to me. To me, and I understand it's not, the pattern matching against None looks to me like a nil check in Go. Also, with your example, the compiler could definitely check, for thread-bound variables, that that code is "incorrect".

In the general case, the compiler can't check to see that that code is incorrect. Consider the case in which the boolean result "x == nil" is threaded around from function to function, aliased (you handed out a pointer to it), etc... Also consider the case in which "x" is aliased (you handed out a pointer to it) and it gets mutated to nil in the middle of the branch by calling some function.

If you go down this road, you end up making the compiler perform a very difficult (probably undecidable) proof. There has been lots of research on this and it's not easy...

Sorry, this may be becoming off-topic, and to be honest, I'd considered multithreading (especially given Go's strong suite). Is that just not something Haskell or equivalent can do then?

What do you mean? How does this relate to multithreading?