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Is there any functionality that is not offered by SvelteKit? SvelteKit is batteries including SSR/web server solution for Svelte and works beautifully together, as they are tightly coupled.

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I switched from Svelte/SvelteKit to Svelte/Laravel and my productivity went through the roof. Same would apply with Rails or probably other batteries included backends. SvelteKit gives you SSR but that’s it. Laravel/Rails/etc gives you database, queues, real time support, authentication, authorization, the list goes on.

I plan to make my next YouTube video making my case for why Laravel is better with Svelte than SvelteKit is https://youtube.com/@samldev

Thank you. I asked about SvelteKit vs. Inertia, not Laravel.

It’s not really a valid comparison. Inertia isn’t a full stack solution like SvelteKit. You pair Inertia with a backend.

The whole point of it is it bridges the backend you know (Laravel, Rails, Django) with frontends (React, etc), without having to mess with JSON APIs.

SvelteKit is not a “full” (depending on the definition what full means) stack solution either, and is commonly used with backends like Django or Rails. For example, it does not have its own ORM.

You’re still not getting what inertia is and keep asking dumb questions that make no sense. Please, check inertia docs. It has nothing to do with sveltekit/next/nuxt.

What's a Laravel equivalent in JS so we can stick with 1 language instead of using PHP?

What if there isn't one?

Redwoodjs seems active, Sails seems less active, Adonisjs I’ve heard of.

The lack of a clear leader Rails clone in NodeJS land is probably the ecosystem’s biggest weakness. The downstream effect is theres a bunch of typical libraries/clients are just… MIA in the node ecosystem. Like, there’s no production grade Memcached client for node. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We had to fork one & heavily patch it for Notion.

One (not only) of the problem is that you cannot do it in JavaScript very well due to poor underlying support for types. You neded TypeScript to have the equicalent of ActiveRecord or Django model.

This doesn’t follow because both Django and Rails evolved in languages without a type checking compiler. Rails is super dynamic in ways that would make Typescript type checker kind of sad.

There isn't one. There's been a couple attempts but they just don't hit the mark like Rails or Laravel do.

Honestly, the upside of 1 language is not that high. Don't be afraid of PHP, it isn't the same language it was 15 years ago. I've been programming JS for 10 years but only been using PHP for a year, it's weird but it's got some nice parts too.

Adonisjs, which is explicitly stated as taking major influence from laravel: https://adonisjs.com/

Doesn't have the featureset or community unfortunately

It looks to me like you didn't even check what Inertia is?

It basically gives you access to the entirety of features provided by Rails, Laravel, etc without having to write an API, create a separate codebase or deployment. You don't get any of that with SvelteKit. This is apples vs oranges.

You dont need to write the backend in Nodejs. If you want a svelte app with nodejs backend then sveltekit makes more sense.

Yes, It works with any backend

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