Tesla launches first all-electric 'Giga Train' – and it's free to ride
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The train looks like an existing battery-powered Siemens Mireo:
Yes, the train is a Siemens Mireo, and I can't find anything that says that Tesla was involved in the development of this specific train at all... so Tesla provided branding, I guess.
Definitely just a money + PR contribution though, I'd be curious of this is just advertising something that was a requirement from local lawmakers for building the factory in the first place.
If it had been made by Tesla, they would have hyped it into the ground, tried to put it underground, and inspectors would notice a suspicious amount of hacks done just to keep it running. And Elon would have promised a self-driving mode that inexplicably doesn't work with a vehicle that only goes forward and backwards.
https://www.railwaygazette.com/passenger/tesla-shuttle-retur...
Instead, let’s talk about what Elon promised would be better than trains: The χLoop (formerly Hyperloop).
https://stadlerrail.com/en/flirt-akku/details/
These are new-ish to a point where only train nerds know about them, but they're also old enough to be a fully certified COTS product that you can just buy the way that you buy your normal trains also.
Considering how fast that industry moves, I think that is saying something.
That doesn't stop traditional "electric" trains, which actually have diesel engines that drive generators, which drive electric motors.
DO they have a stand alone inverter ? AND a step-up transformer ?
The train has to have an inverter anyways to vary its rpm, and I assume that the motor runs on less than 15 kV anyways. So it could conceivably be done without a separate DC-DC step-up converter, but I wouldn't know for sure.
The 2022 announcemnt of Fortescue's Infinity Train for use in Western Australia's Pilbara region to "drop" iron ore loads from inland plateau heights to sea level over a 100 km or so have advanced to including a few early regen battery electric locomotives (From UK Williams Advanced Engineering) in their trains.
These are "trains" with five locomotives (two at either end and one in the middle) and a hundred+ rail cars each with a few hundred tonne of ore.
2022 Announcement: https://www.railtech.com/rolling-stock/2022/03/04/australian...
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Current status is a single line item in current annual report citing purchases and research costs for "Progress on the decarbonisation of our rail operations".
To date no train has been fully battery electric, just running with the inclusion of some regen-battery-electric locos.
A bit of battery range beyond overhead wire isn't rare. SF's electric buses have that. The older models were stuck if they ever got off the wire. Newer ones can pull down the trolleys, drive to a spot under wire, and reconnect. It's a big help when something is blocking the street.
[1] https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/caltrain-o...
I'm not sure what's more resilient, if a tree falls on to the tracks breaking the electrified wire, it'd also be on the rails, stopping the train anyway, but I imagine not having an electrified wired dangling around across the country is less dangerous than having a battery in a known location with qualified engineers looking after it.
They could just be doing this for PR purposes, but I'd love to see the internal cost analysis that was done to build this vs the cost of building using a known good solution.
Wasting energy by moving those batteries is contrary to that goal.
We'd have to see some actual numbers before deciding if moving heavy batteries is better or worse than having an electrified wire.
And yes, we'd need to see numbers to be certain, but my intuition tells me that transmission losses won't come close to hauling all that weight.
This has been done successfully around the world since the 1880s. Looking at a map it seems like the length of the line is only a few miles, so doesn’t seem like it would be that huge of an electrification project, especially considering Germany’s rails are already 55% electrified.
Batteries have a lot of advantages if you trust they won’t explode too often.
And ubiquitous? Last time I checked more than half of all trains here ran on Diesel engines. No idea if it improved since, but probably not by much.
> The Giga Train is Tesla’s answer to potential concerns that some employees might have had regarding how they would get to work. The new train will eventually transport 4,500 employees to the factory every single day, where they will build the company’s all-electric vehicles.
It is replacing a train that currently runs on diesel:
> Niederbarnimer Eisenbahngesellschaft, or NEB, is the train’s operator, and plans to switch to an e-fleet of trains starting at the end of this year. Managing director Sebastian Achtermann said:
> “We will put 31 battery-electric multiple units and seven hydrogen multiple units into operation, gradually replacing the diesel fleet we currently use.”
But if this is something they want to actually turn into a product instead of purchasing an existing battery based train, I could see Tesla learning from this experiment and then targeting geographies where there are lots of diesel based train lines without electrification.
I guess it could be useful where it's cost-prohibitive to electrify the traditional way, typically in rural areas.
It's a nice service to provide, and nice that the electric car factory is served by an electric train, but Tesla isn't launching any new product or technology here.
More recently, these have become somewhat commonly used on partially electrified lines. There are at least three types in use in Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_electric_multiple_unit... (the ‘Tesla’ one is the third type listed.)
They had no electric batteries worth speaking of, but it was all overhead wires, and labor was cheap; rolling out gigantic infrastructure projects was cheap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Electric_Railway
What's really crazy is I've told people this while in the park right outside the museum with one of the electric railroad cars and people still didn't have a clue despite being able to see the old railroad stop and living there a generation.
Battery-electric passenger trains as an off-the-shelf option are a relatively new phenomenon, but not brand new or unique to this line or use case.
I did find it amusing a few years ago when I saw a Tesla service vehicle: it was a standard ICE Ford Transit cargo van. (this was before they came out with the EV version of that model)
https://web.archive.org/web/20240821173050/https://www.tesla...
That isn't how that works. If each carmaker is required to sell 20% EVs (or whatever) and then Tesla sells 100% EVs and Chrysler sells 0%, the overall average is still at least 20% and you're still buying an EV. It's not any less "buying an EV" than it would be to buy a Chrysler EV which also allows Chrysler to sell more ICE SUVs. Moreover, the number is the lower limit -- if Tesla sells 100% EVs and Chrysler sells 0% and they each sell the same number of vehicles, you'd then have 50% EVs even if the law only required 20%.
Note that the alternative to Chrysler paying Tesla is Chrysler paying a fine to the government. If they chose the alternative then only one half of the above statement would be true.
[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/52.39215/13.79668 [2] https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH2&cp=52.392189%7E13.79645... [3] https://www.google.com/search?q=Fangschleuse%2C+Tesla+S%C3%B...
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/09/06/tesla-giga-train-begins...
man you are going to be angry when you find out where American and European nuclear companies buy their enriched uranium from
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-us-europe-nucl...
> How would passengers, crew, even people standing on station platforms be protected from the deadly rays generated in the core? Most reactors have tremendous concrete walls surrounding them, but such a shield could not possibly be squeezed onto a locomotive frame. The X-12 shielding would weigh 200 tons, measure 10 by 15 by 15 feet, and be four feet thick. It would consist of several steel tanks nestling one inside another. The steel would stop the X-ray-like gamma radiation. To confine neutrons, the spaces between steel tanks would be filled with hydrogen-rich material like water, paraffin, or plastic.
> The big gain from atomic fuel, as Dr. Borst sees it, is likely to be an economic one. Despite the high cost of an engine like the X-12 — around $1,200,000, twice the price of a comparable diesel — its almost negligible fuel requirement (eleven pounds of uranium per year) could make it cheap to operate. This would be particularly true if it could be kept in operation nearly continuously, pulling high-speed expresses over long hauls and wasting little time turning around for the return trip. And in due course, the comparatively high cost of making these engines would likely be reduced as the actual problems of design, manufacture, and operation were further researched.
https://archive.org/details/peacetimeusesofa00mann/page/58/m...
Also, switching trains from diesel to electric is still better than not doing anything at all.
[1] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-cover-57-ger...