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Rerun is great. I wish they prioritize rerun_sdk build for iOS and/or Android - so that you can log remotely from mobile devices. Serializing and streaming images, depthmaps, sensors data in own code is a pain and rerun has done great work with that.

A little worrying for me that rerun seems getting more complicated and verbose and API changes frequently. The whole vizualization code can clutter algorithm/code that is begin debugged.

If rerun reading this maybe they can consider:

- integrating inkeep [0] "ask ai" (I found bun.sh use it and was useful for me)

- creating docset for Rerun for Dash.app [1]

[0] - https://inkeep.com/

[1] - https://kapeli.com/dash

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Glad to hear you like Rerun and thanks for the suggestions!

> A little worrying for me that rerun seems getting more complicated and verbose and API changes frequently.

We'll unfortunately continue to change some APIs over the next few releases. We're working towards stabilizing the format soon and want to make sure it's in a form that will last.

Do you have any examples of changes you found to be more complicated? We've been trying to maintain the approach of providing a very simple high level API but then exposing more lower level APIs over time for more power and/or control. Would love to learn where we could be doing better there.

> The whole vizualization code can clutter algorithm/code that is begin debugged.

This is a bummer to hear for sure. One of the motivating experiences behind starting Rerun was how much system bloat home grown debugging and visualization infrastructure can bring. Any chance you could share examples that are less clean than ideal? (either here, discord, github or dm on any platform is fine)

I think previous points logging was less verbose. Now I have:

rr.log(f"aruco/board_distance_to_plane_normalized_dots", rr.SeriesPoint(color=(0, 0, 255), marker_size=1.5)) rr.log(f"aruco/board_distance_to_plane_normalized_dots", rr.Scalar(peak.value))

I think before I could have just one line recording. Not a big deal if logging only one sensor but my code is logging a lot of sensors and variables and then overall there is a lot of rerun code around. Maybe some dedicated VSCode or Jetbrains plugin that would allow hide/unhide all rerun code would be also good workaround.

Regarding reason for integration with inkeep or docset is to make for AI better index up-to-date documentation so that it can provide less hallucinated response with older API

Thanks!

Just so you know you can log rr.SeriesPoint(color=(0, 0, 255), marker_size=1.5) in the same call as rr.Scalar(peak.value) if you want. You could also skip logging the rr.SeriesPoint altogether and include it in your blueprint (as a component override or default). That way you can more clearly separate styling from data. Either way I hear you on the added complexity. At the end of the day it came down to trading off simplicity vs expressiveness on this one.

Totally hear you on the "make it easier to have AI that doesn't hallucinate" thing. We should definitely do something in that area. Just haven't managed to get the cycles in to do so yet

Thanks! I will have a look. Another idea - I wish there was some more high level visualization API similar like supervision [0] but instead for Rerun and instead of implemented in python to implemented with rust with autogenerated bindings (so that can be used on native/mobile as well).

So that you can easily log common models result like mediapipe pose/face/handlandmark, object detectors etc. with just few lines.

[0] - https://github.com/roboflow/supervision

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