U.S, Israel developed Flame virus to slow Iranian nuclear efforts, officials say
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* This is not a disparaging comment, it is a legitimate question.
One other difference is that this is equivalent to low-grade but effective sabotage. I guess we can expect more of this kind of sabotage, yet, it's not as though there aren't state actors and non-state actors attempting this kind of sabotage for either economic, political, military or other reasons on a routine basis.
I also imagine there are tacit rules by which they 'play'. That is, some is expected, some frowned upon, but seen as par for the cyber course, but other things might be seen as totally off-limits (like remotely sabotaging a reservoir's gates sitting atop a city). That's to say, this form does not involve collateral killings. So, in some ways, it may be preferable to the 'magnetic' bombs alternative which have been used to slow the Iranian atomic program.
More likely China will be looking into Flame's technology as to how they can BETTER access US military and business secrets to drive their own capabilities.
Plus it: a) is the only other victim of a state cyber attack, b) has the technical ability to do it AND c) is crazy enough to think that is a good idea .
Russia: Crazy enough to launch cyber attacks.
Nice doublespeak.
I find it exceedingly hypocritical and pathetic that Israel wants to stop the spread of nuclear arms in the Middle East when it's sitting on the only (massive) stockpile.
Israel, for various reasons, is not a power-projecting entity in the Middle East as it has displayed no strategic desire to exert hegemonic influence over the surrounding region. Its strategic posture is primarily defensive, so accordingly its nuclear strategy is also defensive. This is why Israel's neighbours are not massively concerned about its nuclear stockpile.
Iran's government and military on the other hand have openly stated the country's regional hegemonic strategic ambitions. It wishes to weaken the Sunni Arab balance of power (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc) that has held sway over the region for the past few decades. Hence it should be regarded as a state which wishes to project power over its neighbours and become the primary influence in the region.
That difference in strategic outlook makes all the difference in the world, because it means that Iran is likely to use its nuclear capability as a protective umbrella under which it can undermine the Middle East's most powerful countries without fear of retaliation.
This is why the Wikileaks memos showed that most strong Arab powers were secretly in support of American or Israeli action against Iran. An unbalanced Middle East and an Iran free to use its proxies such as Hezbollah against whoever it chooses represent grave strategic threats to every established power in the Middle East. Any additional chaos in turn is dangerous for Israel, as are an unleashed Hezbollah and Hamas.
That's why it makes perfect sense for Israel to oppose Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons despite having an arsenal of its own and why other countries, including most of the EU, are more concerned about Iran building nuclear weapons than they are about Israel already having them.
Rubbish. Are the Palestinian people nothing to you?
Bear in mind this has nothing to do with whether a country is morally right or wrong in its actions. One can disagree strongly with Isreal's treatment of the Palestinians and demand reform while still recognising the strategic imperatives that led to its actions and its inherently defensive strategic posture.
Face the facts: Israel is promoting apartheid conditions in the region, upon a mass of population that it has no legal right to do so. Why on earth would anyone who lives in the region, who wants stability in the region, trust the nuclear-armed state of Israel if it is continuing to kill innocents in its quest for power?
As I said above, this isn't about morality or whether Israel is right or wrong to occupy the West Bank, because that is not a real factor in this particular geopolitical strategic situation. This is purely about relative strategic postures and their implications for the Middle East.
There is no cognitive dissonance in holding the views that Israel is a defensive nuclear power posing no threat to its neighbours, but its treatment of the Palestinians is wrong, and Iran should not acquire nuclear weapons. In fact that's the view held by many EU member states.
It can be argued that the Palestinian situation contributes to instability and should be fairly resolved for that reason alone, but that does not and should not factor into an objective assessment of Iran's nuclear program. Iran seeks nuclear weapons because it wants to become the dominant power in the region and assume hegemony over its Arab neighbours, not because it worries about Palestinians.
The fact that most of the Arab powers in the region are more afraid of Iran's nuclear program than they are of Israel's existing arsenal should be evidence enough of how those who live in the region, want stability in the region and have something to lose are willing to trust Israel's nuclear posture.
Well, I beg you to see it from the perspective of the men, women and children who are currently imprisoned in the worlds largest open-air concentration camp. And frankly, that you cannot see the similarities belies a lot about your bias in this argument.
As I said above, this isn't about morality or whether Israel is right or wrong to occupy the West Bank, because that is not a real factor in this particular geopolitical strategic situation. This is purely about relative strategic postures and their implications for the Middle East.
Israel could solve all of its foreign policy problems if it let the populations in the West Bank have access to fresh, clean water. If they stopped encouraging the criminal settlers from encroaching on the lebensraum of the populations who were there before them (i.e. gave back the homes stolen). There is a lot more that could be done by Israel to settle tempers in the Mid East, besides writing viruses and attacking other, peaceful nations, rights to clean nuclear power.
This "camp" is interesting. Israel doesn't control all of the sides, yet you insist that Israel is imprisoning these folks.
> Israel could solve all of its foreign policy problems if it let the populations in the West Bank have access to fresh, clean water.
How about some supporting evidence for that claim?
I note that the PLO turned down a separate state that wasn't big enough to suit them. And, why can't they develop their own access to fresh clean water, just as everyone else in the region has done?
What? Only the Israelis have clean fresh water? What's stopping everyone else?
It's always the Joooos.
No, fresh water is not available to the Palestinians in Israels camps. Israel regularly diverts water from those populations for use by its settlers.
So? Israel doesn't keep anyone from leaving via other borders.
> No, fresh water is not available to the Palestinians in Israels camps.
Thanks for agreeing that your claim that giving them fresh water would solve all problems is wrong.
The Iranians are decent people on the whole. The Iranian regime is not the sort of organization you want having control of anything sharper than a crayon.
Israel neighbors have made it pretty clear that they want to destroy the state of Israel and have tried many times. Iran is the top sponsor of Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah that launch rockets daily on Israel. Israel on the other hand has never called for the destruction of any of its neighbors. So it seems fair that Israel doesn't want Iran to get nuclear weapons while at the same times it's understandable that Israel wants to defends itself by getting nukes for themselves for deterrence reasons. I'm from Syria by the way (half)...
Not true. But this political debate is probably not for HN
I realize you're trying to make the point that the quote was "wipe the Zionist regime" off the map, not "wipe Israel off the map".
Unfortunately, for this particular context of your spot quiz, the two terms are by definition linked:
> "Zionism is a form of nationalism ... that supports a Jewish nation state in territory defined as the Land of Israel."
Your pop quiz is trying to make a difference between the head of the snake and the body of the snake. Either way, the idea is to get rid of the snake.
I don't think there really is a distinction.
Countries struggle for power. It's how politics works.
If Israel had desired to do so, they could have glassed the entire Middle East a long time ago, and there is nobody that could or would do anything about it. Samson says so.