Tesla has taken down 2016 release noting full self driving hardware capability
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I believed their initial claims about what was then simply called "Autopilot", and I'm kind of mad at myself for doing so.
I'm also mad that FSD development has been switched to a new version of the autopilot hardware that my car doesn't have, and apparently can never be upgraded to.
The irony is, I would at least consider a new Tesla, were it not for Elon's antics and interference in US politics. While he's still there, I will never buy another Tesla, and I won't keep this one when the warranty runs out, at the end of this year.
Every major company CEO out there interferes with US Politics. You just started to notice?
It is a sad story actually that his potential is wasted like this way.
I recommend this book to understand how we got here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludicrous:_The_Unvarnished_Sto...
Freedom of speech ? Tesla pretty much survived thanks to Elon's deal with China to build the Shanghai factory. He never ever said anything about freedom of speech there.
He also actively tried and succeed to shut down people pointing out online that Tesla finances were in a very dire state at the time (2018). Lookup 'Montana Sceptic' case - he found out the guy, personally called the office he worked in, and threatened with lawsuits, which would include his employer.
EDIT: I shared your point of view until quite recently.
Drugs. He was first seen publicly smoking pot in 2018, and it's been downhill since then.
Or the solar roof village, which didn't have even a single roof tiled with working panels back then.
His whole history is just him making things up and simps believing him on his tall tales
I won't buy one new, only used and 3rd party if I was to buy another.
We all get to choose who we want to open our wallets to and I'm definitely not going to open it to Elon.
Such optimistic claims were inappropriate, misleading, unprofessional and traded long term trust for immediate gain. But in a legal sense, speculation about future events never compels anything unless there is a specific agreement; it's foolish to assume follow-through especially without (but also with) much history. So direct your anger at both parties respectively.
I'm just sad Tesla isn't willing to go LIDAR, this is where they're going to lose. They had such a leg up as an early mover and all the advantage is gone. China's starting trials in SF and it's just a matter of time before I buy a Waymo licensed car.
I really wish I could get the FSD money back.
The scarier one is in construction zones where the lanes have been moved. During dry it's pretty easy to tell apart, but combine night and wet, it starts doing weird stuff fast. I don't think Lidar would fix this problem.
Please just drive the damned car yourself.
Not if the inferior product is good enough for your purposes.
And not if you value your principles highly enough.
Plus the image/perception of someone buying a Tesla today is getting close to red hat territory for some.
Plenty of reasons why this isn’t a “self own.”
People and their choices attribute that value. Not snide people judging the decisions of others.
Tesla or anyone will sell you a golf cart. Most of the decision is personal style, categorically subjective.
Nearly all of the people I know don't buy new cars or lease. They're at least five or more years from ever seeing an EV because of used car affordability.
Case in point: the boots theory. The car they have is better than the one they could maybe get.
The 'self own' depends on the idea that one is selecting against their interests due to distaste for a given CEO.
First, who are they to say this? Something not objectively the best must be evaluated to find where it lands. Merits aren't universal, this falls to the individual. You did well to get to this point in your post.
Second, let's pause for a minute and think of how contrived this is. Outside of social media, how often does this happen? I get the feeling this is a distinctly Elon+Tesla problem. However, we can't completely separate the man from the companies.
The "boots theory" talks about how it costs more to be poor, many cheap boots instead of a more expensive pair. This tries to explain some counter-intuitive decisions people have to make.
In this light, maybe people rank their opinions over dubious features in an overpriced appliance.
Knowing it's a loose attempt, I'll try to say something equally silly: anyone wearing a belt clearly can't buy pants or is trying too hard to impress.
It's probably good you will be prepared to forgive and forget...for a car.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1eu994l/mus...
No amount of wishful thinking is going to un-exist the thousands of Russian ICBMs. Personally, I like the idea of my existence not hinging on the mood of a dictator half a world away.
He’s very, very far from neutral in this.
Is it really that wild of a take though? The argument as a I understood it was, there's almost no progress being made for Ukraine in taking back that territory. Prolonging the war causes suffering to the young men who have to fight it. So exchange land for peace while still in a strong position instead of current policy of no peace unless a return to original borders.
I don't really see a realistic argument that a Ukrainian counterattack will recover that land.
Surely they'll settle for that, and never push their borders again.
But no one ever seems to propose that there's still a possibility Ukraine can retake that land. I would definitely like to hear it, but for the most part the border has very slowly been moving in the wrong direction.
They’ll retake it at the current pace, but it takes time.
Part of the reason why it isn’t discussed though is 1) Russia gets really freaked out about it, and 2) it’s (somewhat) in Western interests for Ukraine to not ‘win’.
The longer this drags out, the more fucked Russia is. (Also Ukraine long term, but eggs need to be broken to make an omelette!). And from a western perspective, this is a remarkably cheap proxy war.
If we don’t count the damage Russia is doing to us through propaganda and social media manipulation anyway.
Putin has one tactic and one tactic only. Double or nothing and push painful consequences down the road. Well, there is an end to this road and it is mighty foggy.
That never happened. SpaceX was giving Ukraine Starlink access for free to the tune of 100 million dollars during the war while it was unprofitable to help against Russia and for that crime Musk has been demonized by false information and propaganda. Sad to see this misinformation even on HN.
Starlink was never active in Crimea because it's an occupied Russian territory and Starlink was enabled only in Ukraine controlled territories for obvious reasons.
SpaceX got an emergency request from Ukraine to enable Starlink over Crimea so they can bomb Russian warships, SpaceX refused since Musk was afraid of nuclear escalation. They can't turn off something that was never turned on.
Recently the Pentagon praised SpaceX for blocking Russians' illicit use of Starlink.
I marked this story to follow up on when it broke, because it interested me.
I'm no Musk fan, but I did find his telling of this story credible: Starlink was initially disabled in Crimea due to sanctions, the Ukrainian uncrewed surface vehicle team assumed coverage would be available all the way to their target, and Musk declined to extend coverage when they asked at the last minute, in the context of a specific, planned military operation. I happen to be a lawyer familiar with those sanctions---and how businesses tend to address them---but you could cross-reference stories about GitHub and others freezing accounts of people logging in from Crimean IPs for a sense.
Either way, I'd be careful with words here. I don't recall any reports of Starlink being shut down for Ukraine or Ukrainian forces overall. There was another news arc some time before about Musk insisting the government pick up the tab for continued service. But as far as I know that never resulted in any major service disruption. I vaguely recall it's now on Department of Defense contract, but you'd want to check that.
Then China had an anti satellite test in 2007.
Basically what I am saying is that your idea is not new, and it is not getting anywhere either. Trying to weaponize space is just more war-mongering.
I am not American.
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/02/no-us-missile-defense-sy...
The US has wasted over 350 billion dollars on this with nothing to show for it. And that's an attempt to stop one ICBM with one reentry vehicle.
Russian missiles are far more sophisticated and their launchers are all over the place. You can't stop them on the ascent phase where this would be feasible.
After that stopping a modern ICBM is impossible. A single missile contains up to a dozen warheads (MIRV) plus decoys all moving at several miles per second! There's no hope.
No amount of wishful thinking is going to overcome basic physics.
If we don't like the dictator we should depose them and support democracy everywhere. Instead we worked with Putin, we helped install him, Europe helped legitimize him. It's on us that we're in mortal danger again.
In the end, diplomacy (and the power to back it up) is truly the best way to go.
yes. Missile shields threaten the ability of an enemy to retaliate, they're first strike enablers (so despite the name, effectively offensive weapons). The only rational choice for an opponent would then be to strike immediately before they're rendered defenseless. You would have effectively bought yourself an immediate nuclear war once Russia perceived that threat to be imminent.
Your existence hinging on a dictators mood isn't nice, but what's worse is making it game theoretically necessary for them to glass you immediately.
https://thebulletin.org/2023/06/one-nuclear-armed-poseidon-t...
The case that particularly comes to mind is the 2016/2017 cars sold as "Full Self Driving Capable" that later ended up requiring a $2000 update.
Cynical version: something very bad happened that we will hear in the news in next couple of days and they are panic scrubbing stuff.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the expected life of a car is quite a bit longer than that?
I'm pretty sure somewhere on the internet you'll find enough official data to figure out median car mileage.
So I maintain my original statement. 8 years and 150k miles for a car that is sold as a simpler (mechanically) and more reliable because of that mechanical simplicity is kind of crappy.
My car is that old, and I expect to keep it at least 8 more. But many would have traded in by 8 years especially if they drive so much more than me.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
Tesla recently settled a lawsuit (where the Tesla driver died) recently from an old 2018 incident, so maybe the family saw an opportunity to try their own suit 2yrs after the incident https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-autopilot-death-settl...
The worst part was that the customers paying for the system didn't even know they got scammed, as put eloquently in this HN comment. [1].
[0] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-05/dmv-false-...
Either way, they’re gonna get a line of lawsuits ready if they do.
At that point, they can decide if it's cheaper to settle all the lawsuits and refund all the angry owners, or if it's worth making an upgrade adapter to fit HW4/5 into the slot designed for HW3.
[1]https://fortune.com/2015/12/21/elon-musk-interview/
[2]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920
[3]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/02/self-driv...
[4]https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will...
[5]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768
[6]https://www.ted.com/talks/elon_musk_the_future_we_re_buildin...
[7]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/866482406160609280
[8]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1063123659290595328
[9]https://web.archive.org/web/20190220051410/https://www.ark-i...
[10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI
[11]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucp0TTmvqOE
[12]https://web.archive.org/web/20200709130939/https://www.youtu...
[13]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF2HXId2Xhg
[14]https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-interview-axel-spr...
[15]https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-full-self-drivi...
[16]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwq_PhtvLwo
(Or simply, https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/)
Most of the Tesla's high stock valuation depends on them executing Robotaxi biz plan and seeing how Waymo cars are self-driving in some cities for so long and now beginning on highways, I still wonder why is taking them so long to understand the proven first-principle that LIDAR and Radars are essential hardware components to solve self driving and they just can't rely on cameras alone.
It's the middle part that's scary (where we are now I guess)
That's because it would be a safety downgrade, and the public never accepts new technology which does the same as a previous one, yet drops a safety feature.
For example, requiring a handbrake separate from the main brakes in cars. There hasn't been an engineering reason to keep these separate for 50 years, the main brakes already are doubly redundant. But people won't adjust laws to reduce safety, even if the safety reduction is so vanishingly small so as to not matter.
[1] https://www.topspeed.com/tesla-robotaxi-everything-confirmed...
That system was indefensible and has put the lives of drivers on the road at risk as I have said many times before. [0]
At least for FSD it is time for the fanatics to snap out of Tesla's lies over this scam as well as the 'promises' which Elon repeatedly claimed to deliver. [0]