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IntelliJ IDEs supports Wayland now

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Important to note that this is because Java AWT’s now support Wayland, partly in thanks to Jetbrains themselves who contributed support back up.

So this has a fairly large benefit beyond just their products.

I guess Xwayland is good enough that I simply never noticed GoLand wasn’t natively running on Wayland anyway!

Try that with a HiDPI screen :)

That's actually a GNOME issue. XWayland apps look native on KDE for me, except for that X11 icon that shows up on the title bar!

It's not a Gnome specific thing, it happens on nearly all wayland conpositors, it's just that KDE applies some fixes https://pointieststick.com/2022/06/17/this-week-in-kde-non-b...

Finally! This is great news. This was literally the last application I needed to support Wayland, I think I can finally get rid of X11!

Total aside.

Has anyone found an alternative to Synergy? Its the last thing that's anchoring me to X11.

The Synergy team has been saying for years they'll support Wayland but no release has been made, I'm a paid customer.

IIRC by design applications can't get the absolute mouse pointer position in wayland, so something like Synergy probably is not easy to do in Wayland without 'hacks'.

Isn't that something libei is designed to solve?

Have never heard of it, but seems like it should solve that

Do any Synergy forks like Barrier do it?

Barrier was abandoned and no contributions are made IIRC.

The closest I’ve found in terms of description is https://github.com/feschber/lan-mouse, but the lack of encryption on the connection has discouraged me from using it.

I’m also a paid Synergy user, and it’s frankly comedic how long Wayland support has been on their road map. I’m not convinced it’s ever coming, which means I’m probably only 1-2 distro updates from being forced to use something else

I'm in the same boat.

Synergy core (aka synergy 1) just had Wayland support merged this week. “Next year” has finally come to pass

Cortesy of Project Wakefield.

https://wiki.openjdk.org/display/wakefield

To which Jetbrains actually contributed.

Indeed.

Sorry to poop your party, but the heck is Wayland? Is it supposed to be a "product" as in a product to be packaged and sold for serious use?

From what I see the Wayland project began in 2007/2008. It is 16 years old now and still doesn't seem to be a capable replacement for X11, as in whatever it is X11 does that some people still prefer to use it.

Is this really normal? Is there some wishful thinking and hoping against hope and reason Wayland can and will ever be ready to do what a lot of computer users want, ie being a good substitute for X11?

I'm sorry but I'm so disappointed with this mindset in Linux users. Even with the backing of Intel and later Redhat, ie IBM or whoever it still seems to be hovering between a beta and gamma state.

Wouldn't it simply have been better to steadily hack, improve and involve X11 for the last 16 years?

Frankly I think the major companies which claim to have been backing or supporting it for the last 16 years have simply been playing Linux users, just winding them up.

Please don't tell me that if over the last 16 years some effort had been made to evolve X11 more progress couldn't have been made.

Even Emacs has made some progress over the last 16 years.

I think Wayland is a classic example of 'we do these things not because they are easy, but because we thought they were going to be easy'.

X11 was released in 1987, and I remember using an SGI workstation in 1992 running IRIX, and that had a perfectly functioning X11 desktop which wasn't much different from today's desktop environments. If X11 could be done in a bit over 5 years with late 1980's development tools, it's kinda bizarre that Wayland takes so long.

Part of it is because X11 has improved a lot between 1987 and now. It’s not just been static.

So Wayland has to capture those 37 years worth of engineering.

But also, X was designed in a way that facilitates rapid development and easy integration. In exchange, you get some significant issues which are what Wayland is trying to solve.

So Wayland has to engineer something much more difficult at its core.

Lastly, Wayland has to deal with a much more bifurcated system with a lot more legacy applications to support. X11 came up at a time where there were significantly fewer distros, computers were far less accessible and there were in turn, way fewer programs.

In many ways, most of Linux was designed around X. Now Wayland has the job of trying to unroll it all, across many distros and many more users with many more use cases.

IMHO it’s not a good comparison to make.

I do think there are several areas where Wayland has failed in planning and execution (imho by not looking at windows or macOS), but I don’t think its areas that X11 really did much anyway.

If you want to work on xorg, you can. If you want to work on Wayland, you can do that as well. Almost all people choose the latter.

I see a similar problem with email. It's been there for decades and it's still not a full substitute for fax. It fails at the very basic use case of automatically printing a page upon arrival (at least without a lot of quite complex hacking). It honestly seems like we could have used all that time to improve fax technology instead of pursuing this half-baked "can't even print a page" email.

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