Leaked Microsoft pay data shows how much software engineers report making

HR and accounting don't hire and pay you, they're just the ones that fill out the paperwork. Isn't this obvious.

Those are the boots on the ground. The people in charge are those they listed, i.e, program managers, business analysts, administrators, consultants...

HR and accounting are not in charge of pay and hiring. They are involved, but management is in charge and sets the rules.

I have seen cases where I made more than my boss (the difference was a few hundred/year), but it wasn't long before they promoted my boss so that wasn't the case. (I'm convinced that it was only allowed to happen just long enough to say it was possible and then when nobody was looking they promoted him to ensure it doesn't become a pattern)

> accounting get paid less than engineers in every country on earth

Not in Argentina

Compared to other employees in customer service, tech support, marketing, accounting, I'd imagine engineers are quite expensive.

There are more developers than managers, like you would hopefully expect.

Also because many of us hate looking for a new job (which may mean moving despite efforts to work from home).

No one sets pay rates. Pay for labor in a free market economy is determined purely by supply and demand. So literally the entire concept of "paid less than their worth" is nonsense, because the economy is what is evaluating "the worth". Here's a simple question, how would you prove that someone is "being paid less than their 'worth'"? I can fantasize any figure for my "true worth" and make noise about being paid less than it; it's just as meaningless.

It also occurred to me that the movement to make most IT jobs 100% remote depresses pay which would normally be based on local standard of living (much higher in cities)

May have been true of the 2000s. But the 2010s and 2020s, not much “fun” to be had cleaning up the shit architecture of 2000s; and getting rid of “legacy” tech (ie, mainframe).

It’s a grind, m8. Companies today just acquire their competition, “trim the fat”, pump the stock. There hasn’t been any new innovation in this industry in a long time.

Same shit. Different day

You can't have it both ways.

If you insist people get the same pay no matter how enjoyable the job is, then you're implying people should get the same pay for jobs that make people feel like shit.

IMHO, the latter is really exploitation.

My Goldman Sachs starting salary as a new analyst out of college in 1999 was US$40K. During that first year, because of the dotcom bubble, Goldman raised the salary to $55/65/75K for first/second/third-year analysts, and my end-of-year bonus in 2000 was close to 100% of salary. Then the full effect of the recession/market crash hit and the 2001 bonus was, well, much smaller.

Microsoft in the DC area or somebody else like Raytheon?

I would expect Raytheon and the other contractors (i.e. Booze Alan) have raised entry level to like 70/80k but they're going to be much lower than Microsoft. As well as as you get promoted it caps out much lower. It's a bit better at non-contractors like Capitol One but still not quite the same as a "Tech Company".

https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Raytheon,Microsoft,Capital%2...

Was it at Microsoft?

You're being paid to build the mechanisms of power projection, and to completely divest yourself from the question of how the fruits of your labor are then applied.

Even guaranteed payment on layoff?

Until they aren't and there is no US law to give them back.

I was only getting 2 weeks vacation

The joys of young, single and healthy.

You mean those shitty interviews of how many golf balls fit into a plane, to then produce the mess of AOSP source code?

Can confirm based on experience in Vancouver