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I was diagnosed with Diabetes 2 years ago. As soon as I found out I immediately changed my diet. 0 carbs My blood sugar would still go too high. My fasting blood sugar (first reading in the morning after waking up. "12+hr fasting") was often the highest of the day. I spent the next 14 months trying different drugs to mitigate my blood sugar levels. So one day out of desperation I asked my Doctor if i could try ozempic.

It worked INCREDIBLY well. I started adding carbs back into my diet. My blood sugar stayed in good shape. I started loosing weight too. Before Ozempic and going 0-carbs I lost ~20lbs over 14 months. After taking Ozempic I have lost ~80lbs.

I still STRONGLY desire sugar/sugary foods. My cravings for bread is really bad too.

Ozempic controlled my sugar so well that I have been able to add carbs back into my life.

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Is it even possible to have high blood sugar while eating zero carbs? You could be catabolising muscle mass but that would be a case of extreme malnutrition and/or type 1 diabetes.

These drugs fix symptoms only, and only for ad long as you keep using them. They have adverse effects, and probably well beyond the published ones. Most signs point to T2D being caused by insulin resistance, which builds up through bad diet and lifestyle. You can 'fix' symptoms by forcing the body to pump out more insulin, but science and common sense would indicate that this could end up worse off in the long run.

> probably well beyond the published ones

What is this claim based on?

You can eat fat and get energy from that.

> Is it even possible to have high blood sugar while eating zero carbs?

To the best of my knowledge, glucagon releasing glucose (from glycogen) allows the liver to make glucose even if no carbs have been consumed.

Did you measure 1 hour after wake up? At wakeup there's the "dawn effect" where glucose rises/ketones fall.

What diet did you really try? Keto diet is known to ~easily fix T2D. A good company that can do that is virtahealth.com.

The only way to quit drugs (sugar) is to no take drugs at all, not take less drugs.

Source: I do keto diet but for other reasons. I was addicted to carbs, but not fat, and am no more. I would end up as T2D in 10-20 years though. If I restart carbs I will get addicted again.

Your own personal experience is not a "source" for what is easy, hard, possible or impossible for other people.

About what? Yes, I know quitting drugs is impossible for many people. When you have serious issues, you need a serious professional.

A professional such as a doctor, who prescribes a medication that helps address the issue?

A substance abuse doctor & therapist.

Why is your preferred set of professionals better than another? Do you have research showing that treating obesity as a substance abuse disorder has positive outcomes?

Nobody pays for research with no meds.

Its not simple obesity. Many obese have eating disorders.

For permanent adherence, only quitting works.

  Yes, it was measured first thing, and yes it was the 'Dawn Effect'.

Within 4 hours it would fall into the 'safe-zone'.

  At that time my diet was 100% protein/fat,  0 carbs.

I assumed (and Doctor shruggingly agreed) that it was probably my body fat being metabolized and raising my blood sugar.

It's probably the protein. Not eating fat should also feel horrible too, messing hormones etc.

Source: Pretty well known in keto epilepsy/cancer/psychiatry. I do epilepsy keto diet. Having high protein will increase glucose & lower ketones (tested blood many times with just 2 ingridients beef & beef fat). I aim for 80%-90% of calories from fat. Or 2 to 1 weight ratio of fat and protein/carbs.

For T2D you probably need just 60% fat calories though.

My dad was like you. At age 61 I finally got him to try 90 days of only fresh home squeezed/extracted vegetable juice. Technically all his calories those 3 months came from the sugars in the vegetables (celery, beets, carrots, cucumbers, tomato, orange).

All his markers improved, even diabetic markers, and blood pressure. He's off the 3 meds he was on.

I trust the other poster who worked with his doctor rather than a juice poster.

I’d bet your dad is my like father-in-law, any type of restrictive diet for 90 days would be helpful.

decades of medical research vs. a senior citizen on their first juice cleanse

Population that spends more every decade and gets less healthy, vs senior citizen that gets off all his meds by changing his eating habits by trying juice for 90 days.

Gotta go with the tried and trusted med industry.

juices are just natural ingredients only sodas. might aswell take the original .

For sure. Pepsi, or beet juice. Same thing! And if you eat them whole, I bet they're just like candy too in your opinion!

Definitely. I'm not saying that 10 lbs of vegetables a day is healthy or anything. That would be crazy. You gotta add processed hormone injected meats, boiled dairy, and preservatives to get a healthy balanced diet.

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