Scammers prey on young Chinese desperate for jobs in bleak economy
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Even many Indians are trafficked to SE Asia in the name of employment, only to scam Indians. And these scam centers are run by Chinese.
[1] Cambodia: Hundreds of Indians rescued from cyber-scam factories: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68705913
[2] Cambodia Job Scam Victims Beaten & Deprived Of Meals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5X5xVSiFHQ
[3] In Cambodia, reporting on illegal scam centers brings threats https://www.voanews.com/a/in-cambodia-reporting-on-illegal-s...
[4] They’re Forced to Run Online Scams. Their Captors Are Untouchable. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/world/asia/cambodia-cyber... https://archive.is/H7Vex
[5] Inside the 'living hell' of Cambodia's scam operations https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221109-inside-the-li...
[6] Chinese Mob Has 100K Slaves Working in Cambodian Cybercrime Mills https://www.darkreading.com/cyberattacks-data-breaches/chine...
Try searching for Cambodia and see how many times it shows up. Now try Thailand, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, and Singapore.
Do you want to know the truth? The truth is those are now rich countries that can spend more on PR and wield greater influence on foreign media than Cambodia. So, the international media pile on the easy target that is Cambodia.
The lack of “rule of law” is a convenient phrase to denigrate a country you have little to no experience living in. Cambodia is not perfect but it is not necessarily worse than its neighbors when it comes to the “rule of law.” The subject is complex and full of nuances that a single phrase is not gonna do anyone justice.
For comparison, when was the last free and fair election held in Vietnam where you considered to be better? Never!
Which country do you think has death penalty? Cambodia or Vietnam? That’s right Vietnam! Cambodia has none.
Which country has opposition parties and media? Not Vietnam. Do you know how many political parties Cambodia has? 18!
We've seen the complete domination of labor by capital once before: in the aftermath of the industrial revolution. It was fixed by a giant war that wiped out the asset holders in Europe and a less cataclysmic series of events that reduced their power in America (Great Depression got FDR into office, business leaders got caught red-handed trying to coup him and forced into concessions, WWII veterans made labor delegitimization difficult).
Here's hoping we can find another Roosevelt without finding out what WWIII means.
This more or less only existed in the upper classes and for a brief few decades after ww2 when global economy was growing fast fueled by recovery.
Lower classes never had this. Read some Dickens — all the women have full time jobs. Read some post-ww2 communist stuff – all women are expected to work. Even before industrialization women worked on subsistence farms right alongside their husbands.
Peasant and working class women have always had jobs.
I remember a discovery channel documentary about Victorian life and it had this fun line: While the doctors debated if exercise is healthy for women, the women working in their kitchens were throwing around 50L pots of water (50kg) all day like it’s nothing.
For your next act, could you tell us how the children yearn for the mines?
No but I can tell you that both my surviving grandparents worked in the local factory and that at my great grandma’s farm every able bodied man woman and child pitched in during harvest and slaughter time. And yeah my mom worked up to 3 jobs at times to make ends meet for me and my sis.
Dickens is normal for a large majority of the world population. Look around you. Most people you interact with are living Dickens right now. The lives of your uber driver, facebook moderator, barista, hair stylist, etc are much more Dickens than Austen.
> Dickens is normal for a large majority of the world population. Look around you.
...and why is that? Is it because everyone isn't working hard enough? Or is it because we have a system that needs less labor than it has, thereby dumping the price of labor unless we control this dynamic with policy interventions?
If you don't want to consider the division of labor as a natural experiment, let's dig into something else that you cited: the reconstruction era following WWII. It led to a golden age for labor, and not just in the US. Isn't that odd? The need for labor shot up, but instead of making labor more stressed it did the opposite, and let them partake in the prosperity. This dynamic isn't unique to WWII, and it isn't unique to events that negatively impact capital. Events that positively impact capital tend to dump labor. Germany after the Franco-Prussian war is probably the cleanest example, but the offshoring of the United States industrial base is probably the most familiar. This should be a hint: the disease perpetually afflicting labor is not laziness, it's bargaining power. Policy interventions that target laziness will tend to make the problem worse, and policy interventions that tend to improve bargaining power will tend to make the problem better.
No I’m saying the 1-income household utopia was built on someone doing that work. Usually unseen, unsung, and poorly rewarded.
And for lots of people that utopia never existed. They simply weren’t allowed or able to partake.
For the record: I’m not saying whether this is good or bad. I’m trying to provide an alternative view of default expectations from a different cultural and socioeconomic background. In my neck of the woods, for example, we didn’t have America’s post-ww2 boom. We were too busy industrializing from a mostly agrarian pre-war economy while also building a new country on the ashes of the old country (we had a civil war on top of the ww2 occupation thingy).
The nature of work was also dramatically different in the past with the overwhelming majority of people being independently employed, or working at extremely small local businesses. Said businesses would also generally double as the store owner's house. So the notion of work was just starkly different than what it is today in most urban Western areas.
So here’s my question: Would a woman helping out in her husband’s shop/restaurant/farm/etc even count as a job in terms of labor force participation?
Personally I’d consider that a job but I have a feeling it doesn’t show up in stats because it’s an unpaid position and just considered the default expectation in a family business. Especially back then.
That's not taking into account all the handcrafted goods: half the stuff we buy, would've been made instead, and that proportion would probably increase the further back in time you go. But the labour to buy stuff is counted as worked hours, while made stuff isn't. That makes some sense in the perspective of economic exchanges, but not for many comparisons.
Central planning, collective ownership (meaning nobody felt the need to actually manage those assets since they were owned just by state) was a disaster in every single effin' country it implemented. Literally everybody was stealing stuff somehow.
When I look at my ancestors, women worked darn hard. Giving birth directly on the field in the middle of work and resuming said work right after was considered normal. Those were not some rosy times some folks desperately wanting to own properties right here right now like to paint as.
Come on, many jobs back then weren't what you would consider a job these days. And after work, you were free to do whatever you wanted. No on-call duties, no late-night catch-up after hours, etc.
At least there was a sense of community—everyone knew and helped each other. There were a lot of bad things, especially in the economy. But there were also a lot of good things in society that were killed by capitalism and a Darwinian society.
People lived in literal reality bubble compared to rest of the world and were brutally naive in many aspects (just like you would expect North Koreans to be naive about many aspects of the rest of the world). That naivity hit hard when iron curtain fell, the concept of defending democracy and 'fighting' for whats good in life and society is simply too alien, even now. As long as you kept pretending all is good and you don't mind lack of basic freedom, system largely left you alone, you just couldn't travel or say what you wanted. But that pesky freedom is something you can't keep ignoring for your whole life.
But if any of your ancestors or even more distant family said or did anything even mildly perceived as non-alignment even decades ago, then your kids who could be brilliant students, were forced to do to worst trade high school (since they were mandatory just like employment) and banned from universities or many other aspects of society. This is story of my mother, 1st in economic university entrance exams, banned because my grandfather stepped away from communist party when soviet union invaded us in 1968, more than a decade before. Stories like this are everywhere if you care to ask, brilliance was punished as a threat to regime and mediocrity and bowed head was celebrated.
It is happening again slow moving, just due to lack of mating success.
How is VMware mid sized? By what standards?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_mergers_and_ac...
VMware was also an enormous deal. $61b.
Meanwhile, the HN zeitgeist complains about Tesla not being allowed to sell cars directly to consumer.
Having lots of independent dealers is a job creation feature, not a bug. Dozens of industries in America have the same regulation.
Not everything should be maximally efficient, especially if it reduces competition.
Most of our food is produced by a few percent of the population, yet people go hungry.
I don't know what the right answer is, but we live in strange economic times
Hunger is generally a distribution and pricing problem more than a supply problem.
So, what individuals want has little to do with it.
China doesn't have a domestic or international consumer base large enough to buy everything it produces. For some years now Chinese growth has been fueled by a real estate bubble of truly historic proportions that has burst. Even in a healthy economy with a healthy demographic structure it takes time to recover from the depths of the business cycle, China is healthy in neither sense and this is an economic crash its unlikely to meaningfully recover from.
But AI is probably going to hit the labor market like a wrecking ball anyway, at which point it will be exactly like that.
This is only a problem because the increase in productivity is captured by corporations. If people were paid accordingly, they could autonomously decide to work fewer hours and everyone would be able to put in the 10-20h/week. Keynes foresaw it nearly 100 years ago.
A wave of new automation.
Dial the standard workweek back to 2x hours. Adjust the minimum wage accordingly.
A wave of new automation.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Expect it to converge towards a value, but a value that monotonically decreases over time.
And it's one large reason why salaries have stagnated, especially in the service industry where there are numerous applications for a position, they'll simply get the lowest bidder who is capable enough to do the job.
Raising the minimum wage could help a little, but I suspect most will just cut employees and merge roles, and again find the lowest bidder.
What you all are discussing is specifically the jobs market, which is a much more narrow issue. The biggest problem with employment is matching worker skill to the available jobs.
Money does not, however, measure wealth. Satisfaction of needs does.
That is where industrialization came in. And that might also be why we will see a stagnation of wealth.
There are not many needs that need to be solved (from a commodity point of view).
Current needs are more of a social and spiritual nature, and the markets are not efficient at providing to these.
The best projections we have say our population will likely inflect downwards by the end of this century. In other words, we probably won’t even reach overpopulation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_gr...
Where I live in Vermont, nearly every business has a "Help Wanted" sign- from gas stations and McDonald's through construction, engineering, and knowledge work. None of these places are paying minimum wage.
I'm sure there are other places where the inverse is true - the issue has more to do with the distribution of people and work rather than sheer numbers, at least at this point.
In my country (Finland) even entry-level jobs that pay peanuts often have multi-round interviews, with applicants recording videos and taking psychological tests. It's all handled by recruiting firms, which make good money by filtering the masses of desperate applicants through meaningless tasks like this.
Even if the workforce is small, job market can still be highly competitive when the there are simply too few successful employers.
吃到一半,结果其中一人突然把话题转到了经济情况,他说现在经济十分不景气,家里的生易亏了很多钱。
另一个人则吐槽起了就业压力大,996,物价上涨什么之类的。
第一个人把矛头一转,对准了中共,说中共现在瞎搞把经济都搞坏了。
https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/1evf77w/%E5...
如果粉红能思考, 自然也就不会粉红了.
那些留学还回去的粉红, 我至少还对他们保留一丝尊敬, 就算愚蠢, 他们至少言行一致.
选择留在民主国家生活, 但是离岸爱国的粉红, 我是真不太懂.
If you want a smaller-scale domestic analogy, look at how the federal reserve sees low unemployment as a sign to raise interest rates.
What are you reading? This is the dominant drumbeat. There are also subsidies, which we’re now matching.
Machine learning isn’t manufacturing ev batteries or solar panels at below cost.
Also if you think they invented using machine learning to optimize production lines you must not actually work with any US based manufacturing companies. I can tell you I was helping US companies optimize via IOT sensors over a decade ago, and they were doing machine learning against those inputs before it became the hot new Silicon Valley term of the decade.
The only question is what will happen in the next few years if the middle class further erodes and there's no tax base to pay those unemployment benefits left.
More like two individuals who were victims of fraud/exploitation.
I have to doubt this would have ever been pubished at all, except for the male breast augmentation angle of the story.
The UN estimates that there are 100,000 victims of human trafficking to work at scam call centers in Myanmar alone, and many of those are Chinese nationals. https://www.dw.com/en/how-chinese-mafia-are-running-a-scam-f...
The problem is so bad and well-known that a movie was published in China’s strictly censored market and made $500M at the box office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Bets?wprov=sfti1
HKPF reminds the public that the following websites are not the official Hong Kong Police Force website.
1. 96o.1ss5623.com 2. joshhyoung.icu 3. amylfraser.xyz 4. tiaflowe.icu
It is not exactly surprising that in such a breakneck development pace that some people did not get up to speed at the same pace.
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I will also say I think that China’s embrace of super apps and the quasi-app-internet is not helping with online literacy.