Disney's not alone in saying your clicks means you can't sue
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A reasonable person would think the EULA clickthrough on their set-top box to watch Disney+ might have some impact on consuming media and paying for it. But nobody would imagine that EULA would extend to other Disney products, especially in meatspace.
ALSO if that were true, it means that some park goers did not have Disney+ contracts and they would be under different liability routes than subscribers.
ALSO what if someone bought a DVD or t-shirt with its own license, then does that apply to physical harm at the park?
It seems to a lay person, what happens on the set-top stays on the set top.
Once people would realize buying multiple products or services from one vendor gets you into legal trouble, consumers might shy away from big corporations. That would give big corporations an incentive to split up into smaller ones.
In the end this is just one aspect of the problems caused by companies getting too big.
> In multiple class action cases, DirecTV pointed to arbitration clauses in contracts that the plaintiffs had signed – not with the satellite TV company, but with the phone services provider AT&T Mobility, when the individuals had purchased cell phones. DirecTV argued the arbitration language in the cell phone contracts applied to the telemarketing claims, because, years later, AT&T Mobility’s parent corporation acquired DirecTV, making it an “affiliate,” as referenced in the contract’s arbitration language.
I didn't know that AT&T's parent company owned DirectTV. Did you?
Safe for a bunch of zealots like myself that still try to manoeuvre around Big Tech, using inferior web search, archaic operating systems, local backups, etc.
The future is gloomy.
Perhaps said another way: if someone is going to go skydiving, it's reasonable to assume the thing that you're signing is to say, "I won't sue you if I get hurt," but it's a different thing to be sitting at a computer and agree, "I'll never sue you for any wrongdoing," when you sign up for some wholly digital service.
That is rather normal. People come to theme parks under a variety of ways. Some are just walk-ups subject to whatever waiver comes with buying a paper ticket. Others buy tickets online in other states/countries, places with maybe different rules about waivers. Some come with tour groups which might create new liability structures. Others are children, with rights that may or may not be able to be waived by their parents. And some people walking around the park are on free or donated tickets who may or may not have clicked anything.
The courts have repeatedly ruled that most arbitration agreements are enforcable.
The FTC has previously attempted rule making to invalidate predispute arbitration agreements, but a trump era Congress "disapproved" the rule. The solution at this point requires an act of Congress.
https://arbitrationinformation.org/docs/problems/ is my website where I try and summarise everything I know along with sources.
I originally did not do so since it was incomplete and I was a bit worried about the association.
It's all in a public git repo so my name was never truly hidden. But now that I'm using it more, it does make sense to be more explicit about who runs the site and what "qualifications" I have.
It may not happed immediately but added to my TODO list.
But this "signing away" your rights to settle disputes in a courtroom by accepting a mere eula - it seems so bonkers. Is that solely a US thing?! Does it happen in Europe?
However, in this specific case, Disney does not even seem to be involved, and they are trying to use the Disney+ terms to get out of being in the lawsuit:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/disney-says-man-cant-su...
> A spokesperson for Disney told NBC News: “We are deeply saddened by the family’s loss and understand their grief. Given that this restaurant is neither owned nor operated by Disney, we are merely defending ourselves against the plaintiff’s attorney’s attempt to include us in their lawsuit against the restaurant.”
Not sure if food safety is a human right, but access to food is probably mentioned somewhere, no?!
Well food that does not kill you seem to me qualify under adequate for health and well-being.
The question is of copying, not entertainment. Which is an interesting topic with respect to human rights as it has not been settled whether or not mastery over it is a human right. What is generally accepted by most legal professionals, though, is that it is in conflict with human rights if not a human right itself. Which is why some believe that it is, in fact, a human right.
It is codified into the law of every member state, but might differ on some implementation details. For instance, in the Netherlands forced arbitration can only exists if it fair and not burdensome, and disputes can still be taken to state court. Also these clauses cannot be applied for totally different disputes (like restaurant vs streaming service like in this case).
READ CAREFULLY By reading this website, you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies ("BOGUS AGREEMENTS") that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer.
This would negate Disney's claim if anyone at Disney ever happened to read the page it seems. I claim the above agreement applies to this post.
We're all screwed. SCOTUS isn't going to help, and Corporate America knows it. This legal trend is only going to expand.
I never imagined that my habit would protect me from being abused by companies in the real world, though. Bonus!
“Disney creates best argument for piracy in a century”
It’s a video he posted ~1 hour ago, about this case with Disney and the food poisoning that killed customer in their supposedly allergy-friendly restaurant.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/disney-says-man-cant-su...
> A spokesperson for Disney told NBC News: “We are deeply saddened by the family’s loss and understand their grief. Given that this restaurant is neither owned nor operated by Disney, we are merely defending ourselves against the plaintiff’s attorney’s attempt to include us in their lawsuit against the restaurant.”
It's quite common when a lawsuit is filed that everyone even remotely connected gets named, then those who aren't involved petition the court to get their name dropped. I've been a part of several lawsuits in this way, and getting dropped has never been a problem.
> Movements often get a lot of momentum when they get a catchy slogan that sticks, and "If you watch an episode of The Mandalorian, Disney can murder your wife" is a great one.
Maybe there's a movement to start printing up these as posters and pasting them around cities. Make them look like a true advert but with that as a quote.
"To continue using disney+ you must agree this clause covering Disney and Disney partners. And fyi, those partners now include your local car dealer, the hospital that treated your broken leg, police officers, and every plumber in your state. All have paid a fee to be listed as a Disney partner. Don't like it? Well, I hope you kids don't like Star Wars."
https://www.disneyplus.com/legal/subscriber-agreement
Or better, have your own lawyer write you an arbitration agreement.
Imagine that Disney buys a competitor park. That park is now under the Disney waiver. But maybe the competitor park is not purchased but instead pays a fee to become a "Disney partner" and therefore enjoy the protections of Disney's extensive waiver scheme even if they have no real relationship with Disney.
If courts can't decide whether an arbitration agreement applies unless it goes to an arbitrator, then could I just say that I'm affiliated with Disney and then they have to get an arbitrator to decide I'm not affiliated with Disney?
Or, if I were to subscribe to Disney Plus, could I use that as a basis to claim that I am affiliated by being a subscriber and therefore it requires arbitration?
That is assuming that the plaintiff is a Disney+ subscriber.
Just get bought by Disney.
I'm sure Disney would be happy to control more parts of the world, too. Everybody[0] wins!
[0] "Everybody" includes only those under Disney's corporate umbrella. No consideration is given to the welfare of the rest of the world. Winning void where prohibited. All rights reserved, including yours.
It's a scam to be avoided when at all possible.
That would put a stop to the incessant 'we changed our terms of service emails that we all get and would force large companies to hire staff for actual customer service.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/updated-russian-man-turns-ta...
I believe that any contract that doesn't contain "unconscionable" or illegal terms, is agreed to by all parties, and that involves consideration, is valid. I don't think that the ability to negotiate the terms is a factor. It's hard to see why it would be -- if I get a "take it or leave it" contract that I can't accept, then I can always just not enter into it.
The Courts have, in my opinion, abdicated their responsibility in ensuring that a contract is considered invalid by recognizing take-it-or-leave-it clickthrough licenses as valid.
Not doing so, and requiring a negotiation pipeline, would rein in these types of encroachments, because the burden incurred by playing these types of games would provide a better feedback loop to companies on what is vs. is not conscionable.
This much is true and I think it's a well-established fact that consumers don't read the terms and conditions that they "agree to" by clicking a checkbox, because it's dense legal boilerplate and it would take hours to read and understand. Nobody is going to do that to sign up for a streaming service. Any terms not directly related to the streaming service should be unenforcable on that basis alone.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/adhesion_contract_%28contrac...
They are generally valid but courts may limit what may be enforced to a standard of reasonableness.
See the Wikipedia entry on Clickwrap, and Planet Money episode “Surprise, you just signed a contract!”
If the victim's lawyers are on point, I think companies engaging in such shady legelaese will find their premise is built on shaky foundations, and that the judge will find a fundamental lack of consensus ad idem (meaning the two parties did not have a mutual understanding of what it was they were ostensibly agreeing to)[2]. There is precedent in my jurisdiction, such as the Tilden Rent-A-Car case[3], Roberts vs. Brokerage Services Inc.[4] and Zhu vs Merrill Lynch[5].
IMO most website and mobile app Terms of Use I'm seeing these days contain onerous provisions that are not sufficiently brought to the consumer's attention[6] to be enforceable.
The B.C. Law Institute had a great Unfair Contract Terms report[7] which goes into this in depth.
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Note: Links and case law below are from my jurisdiction
[1] https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2011/2011bcsc1196/2011...
[2] http://canlii.ca/t/fkmvj#par27
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Estrange_v_F_Graucob_Ltd
[7] http://www.bcli.org/sites/default/files/Unfair_Contract_Term...