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Russia, China, Tajikistan propose UN "code of conduct" for the 'Net

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22 pointsalsothings20 comments

Soooo... people do realize that this is from September 2011, right?

Not sure why this was posted here today, but this is "old news" in the sense that there have been many more such proposals submitted as the nations of the world gear up for the updating of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) treaties relating to telecommunications.

Links to news items about some of the newer proposals can be found here, among other places: http://www.scoop.it/t/wcit

I don't need to know the details to realize that this is a bad idea, considering the countries supporting this.

Contrary to popular belief (especially among people from the west), not everything from Russia and China is terrible, oppressive and meant to destroy everything freedom-ish.

But, yeah, it's still a terrible idea.

Lots of good people and good things in China but that doesn't change a thing about how the internet works there.

Tactics like this are used to sanction and limit the West, whilst the proposing parties will go around and violate the rule without regard to reprimand. They'll be quick to point it out when someone else violates it, though.

But much of it is, and looking at their past actions regarding their censorship of the Internet, I think it's safe to assume that nothing good will be in this proposal. Sounds to me like you just wish to be a contrarian for no good reason.

Did you not read the whole comment? It's not that long. The second line states "But, yeah, it's still a terrible idea." You may have missed that I wrote that comment because mtgx's comment implied that only bad ideas can come from these countries, which seemed excessively anti-Chinese and anti-Russian to me.

Why would anyone give a shit what China has to say about this? They just censor everything blind anyway.

Tajikistan, the voice of the internet.

Oppressor's wet dream. They miss the times when the oppressed ("extremists" and "separatists" who threaten "social stability") had no voice.

Did they submit this together with the RFC I saw yesterday..?

They aren't even trying to be subtle.

Do you have a link for that RFC? I may have missed it...

Here it is: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-diao-aip-dns-00

About the subtle aspect, this may very well be because they genuinely believe it's a good idea other governments may agree with.

And the HN discussion is http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4122783

If you want a vision of the future for the internet, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. with apologies to George Orwell

I disagree. Censorship of the Internet will never work. It might stamp out the fires for a short time, but within weeks or months encryption will be the new status quo.

Never be 100% successful != never work.

Doesn't have to be 100% sucsessful

And then Crypto is regulated - I worked on a project for BT Worldwide where we had a matrix of what what and wasn't allowed to do. In France we had to deny access to some info as we where not legally allowed to use crypto over dialup.

Oh and Burma had the death penaty for some uses of cryptography - luckly we did not have a JV in Burma

Artificial means can only delay the progress of ideas and technology for so long. I realize that crypto and the export of crypto is regulated severely in many countries, but how long can that last?

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