Slow is smooth, smooth is fast: Navy SEALs' efficiency secret
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Everyone walks in, day one, and is dumping adrenaline everywhere they look. I mean, the person in front of you is literally engaging you in practicing murder, so I get it. Everyone starts that way. Super tense, super shallow breathing, and everyone wears themselves out in about 30-40 seconds. Of a 6 minute round.
Doesn’t matter if you’re the most insanely buff dude ever, or seriously overweight. The first guy has better conditioning, no doubt… but not this kind of conditioning. One of my favorite things was watching a new guy walk in, looking like he had maybe 7% body fat, 6’2” at least, plays D1 basketball, and is just nothing but stacked muscle… and then him rolling with a 5’6” 130lb woman who just wipes the floor with him, because training matters more than strength, but even more importantly, breathing and staying calm, slow, and smooth matters even more. The basketball player spends the first minute or so using all his strength to try and get this “puny” girl off of him, unable to, and is now completely gassed. Meanwhile she’s tapped him twice and could go for a run.
Eventually, the most important thing you learn is to relax and breathe. Technique eventually comes, through iteration and lots and lots of practice; eventually, things become second nature.
But breathing? Reminding yourself to relax and roll smart, not fast? That I need to remind myself of most days, because again: you’re facing someone practicing killing you. :)
Hell, it's even in Asterix and Obelix https://www.facebook.com/judoclubsaintaubindaubigne/videos/a...
It's a lesson that many of us learn and then take into other aspects of life, because it's really humbling.
I routinely get beaten by small women because I’m not a spazoid and I want my training partners to enjoy training with me.
But if my life was on the line, there’s no way they could tap me. Not even a chance.
This is not the kind of thing I’m talking about. Of course we all regularly get “beaten” by people with less skill and who are smaller, or bigger, or anything else - but I’m not talking about training with a partner or letting them practice a technique during a roll.
I’m talking about people that walk in with their egos very high and their skill very low. There are those who come in and are almost afraid to use any strength at all. Then there are those who believe that strength is all you need, so on their first few rolls they gas out immediately and then get rocked.
I’m not suggesting that two trained people of vastly different weight classes would be equally matched. That would be absurd.
Also, I’m not talking about your life being on the line. I’m talking about BJJ.
My point was that it's largely mythos. Not that it _never_ happens, but by and large weight matters even in untrained vs trained individuals.
6’3” and at that time (19 or 20) was probably right around that 180lbs - no one would have described me as muscular back then though, just skinny more like it.
Anyways, first day of training, the first thing the instructor did was assume I needed humble pie. Told me he wanted to see my baseline, said get in the cage, and called over the only female in the class. She was ~5’6” ~140lbs from memory. Not chubby, just stalky and solid. Rest of the class came over to watch with cheeky smiles too. Later found out it was kind of her thing to break in the new guys.
She had me in a rear naked tapping out in under 30s.
I didn’t know what it signified at the time, but she was a brown belt and regularly took home hardware from regional amateur tournaments.
I had ~6 mo striking experience (Muay Thai), but had never rolled, never wrestled in high school. Best and only entry on my grappling resume was growing up with a brother.
So it does happen, as I can attest, but I do understand your skepticism if you haven’t seen it, especially because of additional hidden context like this:
- I had never directly encountered, and was extremely uncomfortable with, the idea of physically overpowering a female. It was the most unnatural thing, and I was psychologically paralyzed by this until it was way too late.
- She had zero chill. Probably read my obvious body language, and knew her play was to blitz.
- I didn’t know how rolling was supposed work with any opponent, let alone a female. I didn’t know rolling etiquette, conventions, nothing at all. Not that it would have mattered because she had no intention of offering me the usual respects anyways.
If she had attacked me on the street with murder in her eyes, and I reacted with full force, would she still have gotten the best of me?
I’d like to tell myself I would’ve bested her in a life or death scenario, but truth is I’m deeply uncertain of the outcome in that hypothetical.
Not everyone needs humbling. And I think that’s the point that people here are missing.
If someone walks in and is calm, respects the fact that the trained person has something they don’t, and so on… even as a skeptic they’ll be relatively fine, and won’t get “wrecked” in most places, at least not on purpose.
It’s the guys that walk in thinking they’re about to roll over everybody with their big muscles that get rocked. But they usually end up being great people; just that finding out how much you don’t know is extremely humbling, extremely fast.
And I respect that a lot of people don’t believe it. I honestly didn’t myself. I get that; I’m not trying to convince you.
The mythos of jiu-jitsu is so much bigger than the reality. I say that with all the love and respect of someone who trains!
Size matters. Despite what the brochure says.
Each belt is worth about 10-20 pounds of weight. At brown belt, sure, maybe she can beat up a completely untrained 180-pound guy, but with 3 months of training the math changes.
I'm not saying "It isn't real" in an absolute "it never happens" sort of way. I'm saying that it's not true for 90% of the real-world use cases out there. People should train to be aware of their limits and to be fit and capable. But anyone thinking a 140-pound woman is going to terrorize some 200+ pound weight lifter is delusional and hasn't trained before.
Snatching has got to be the most humbling barbell movement ever. Dudes who can easily bench over 100 kg (220 lbs) would never get to close snatching that. (Myself included, but hopefully one day)
Aside: you don’t have to, but a one sentence definition of it would be awesome too - my lifting has been limited to the classic stuff, no fancy Olympic “bend and snap” stuff ;)
But - it being explosive makes perfect sense, but what does it work that deadlift or squats alone don’t? Or is the point the explosiveness?
For my old ass I do it because it’s so hard and the rest of my life is fairly soft. Waking up and getting beat down by some snatches (or occasionally having a great session) keeps me level headed in other areas of life, I guess.
If you’re not a competitive weightlifter but still training explosiveness for other sports then you’re better off doing variations on the lifts. Like hang snatches, power cleans, power snatches, etc.
It would be just as easy for someone to incredulously ask me why I love BJJ, despite being hypermobile and having a much higher chance of injury as a result.
It’s about what you love. That’s why you do it. That makes perfect sense.
Weight classes exist because they matter amongst opponents of roughly the same skill and training level. If one person is trained and the other is not, they matter a lot less.
You're not the first person to be surprised by this and challenge me on it. You also wouldn't be the first person to come to the gym, try to prove your point, and fail. :)
Within the constraints of BJJ, which I agree is not full-on combat, obviously... training matters more than weight or strength, a majority of the time.
I'm not sure where the disagreement is, and you definitely win on caterpillars.
He signed up for the gym a month later.
in the dojo. IRL on the street adrenaline matters and fights end in first 5 seconds. You get stabbed or pushed/thrown/kicked in the face before you realize there was a fight about to happen.
What good is grappling with an opponent when his friend will just curb stomp you the second you both go to the ground?
I never suggested that BJJ was going to be the only thing you should learn or know if you wanted to defend yourself in a fight. Cross training with some striking (muay thai, boxing, something) and/or weapons training? Sounds great, go for it.
To be clear: I have been in my fair share of fights, IRL. I've been stabbed twice. I grew up in Brooklyn and spent a lot of time in, well, less reputable bars and clubs. Most fights do not end in the first five seconds, and you should GTFO if you can, at all. Not fighting is the best way to win. If your opponent has friends with them, GTFO at any cost; that goes without saying. Most fights go to the ground, relatively quickly. When they do, taking their back and getting your hooks in is far better than mounting them, since you can absolutely control them from that position while someone else calls 911 and/or finds help to break up the fight you definitely didn't start, because starting fights is the fastest way to lose them.
As for "adrenaline matters" - this is explicitly why you train. It absolutely matters. But someone untrained will just spaz. Maybe they get lucky, maybe they don't; but they usually don't. Someone trained may not remember every single thing they know; but so much of it becomes instinctual that even with the adrenaline dump they are definitely not on their best game, but are still far more capable than the untrained individual. Furthermore, competing helps a lot with desensitizing yourself to the adrenaline dumps.
Also, "before you realize there was a fight about to happen" is not a thing. I have never been 'caught off guard,' because that is not how fights start. Yes, sometimes an idiot will throw a punch at a random person on the street; but that is absolutely not how most fights start. Well before a fight starts, you have already tried defusing the situation and de-escalating, because engaging is a last resort.
But sure, maybe their "friend will just curb stomp you" so you may as well just never try.
Do you say these things to make yourself feel cooler/tougher when you inevitably tell someone you practice BJJ? And I'm sure they didn't ask, you just worked it into the conversation (much like this post) because you can't wait to tell everyone you practice murder.
The point I was trying to make is that when you're on the mats against an actively resisting opponent who is, yes, attempting to break your joints (which is what happens if you don't tap) or choke you out (which is what happens if you don't tap), you don't have a choice but to focus on only the thing in front of you. Your brain and body simply won't let you focus on anything else.
"Practicing murder" or "practicing killing you" is simply a cute way (and obviously exaggerated for effect, since nobody's literal goal there is killing anyone) of describing that last paragraph without having to use all of the words in that last paragraph. I never said I was Deadpool; relax. It's a self-defense focused martial art which, in real life, you would use to prevent someone from causing you harm.
So no, I really don't think your comment or this one were necessary. It's pretty cynical to go from 'exaggerating for effect,' which is the obviously charitable reading, to 'mak[ing] yourself feel cooler/tougher,' which is the cynical reading.
I haven't been on the mats in over four years, because I had surgery and haven't gone back yet; I miss it. I definitely don't work it into "every conversation," because I am not the one-dimensional NPC your brain decided I was when it read my comment. :)
That said, it was extremely important for it to be correct, so we never cut corners. Best way to never make a sale is to tell someone they are patched when they’re not.
But speed can be a major factor sometimes. It just can’t be the only factor.
And when you try to go fast, it's usually by being incorrect and hoping that it won't matter this one time.
SpaceX would be one example of this.
Taking notes, making educated guesses and hypotheses, planning experiments that are adjusted based on what you learned in the prior ones, etc.? All examples of “slow and smooth.”
The problem comes when you’re tackling large, ambiguous problems.
If it happens all the time, nobody will pay any attention to it when it actually matters.
Unmatched firearms handling -- that's where the 'smooth is fast' comes from -- but operational planning is a different story.
99% of the time navy seals aren’t doing tactical operations, they are setting things up so they can do them when needed. You prepare for doing 48 hours without sleep by being fit and well rested.
They focus on cleanly executing the plan, in the tactical encounter, which they can do quickly, because they’ve rehearsed that plan several times.
Eg, room clearing is smoothly covering all the areas — not the fastest run through the building, which might create errors.
It has to be extremely intentional for me to remind myself that pace matters. I really envy those who can just do that naturally; my wife is one of those people.
Meanwhile, when I forget, I find myself 25 minutes into what was going to be an hour-long strength/lifting workout… in the bathroom at the gym throwing up.
And then I remember to pace myself for like a year or two until I forget again haha
I tend to over pace and not be fully spent at the end of a workout. I've had to work to just be toast 90% of the way through instead so I get the most out of my workouts.
For me, I hate doing the same thing twice, because I didn’t get it right the first time. It hurts my soul. I’ll put in a lot of time and effort to avoid that feeling, which means being slow and methodical. The environment I’m in doesn’t always allow for that, which is where most of my stress comes from.
Also I think our bodies like waves. Staying at the same pace sometimes makes me muddy. So I vary the pace a little every no and then.
I love this phrasing.
In other words, focus on making strategic decisions and making sure you are aiming in the right direction rather than pumping your chest when you pull an all-nighter or feeling too proud about "staying busy". No one cares!
They never run, never rush, and don't get sucked in to the panic and chaos.
There's also the adage of "if you get injured, now we're more resource-constrained, because we have an extra patient."
The only area where I could see "moving with a purpose" would be uncontrolled bleeding, and getting to a patient for a tourniquet, starting fluid resuscitation and getting you to a surgeon.
Perhaps this is because, as a paramedic on an ambulance, you're simply never on scene within three minutes? (As compared to a bystander)
For example, I am exceptionally happy that we have standardized on OpenAPI documentation and/or the self-documenting nature of GraphQL (where used) rather than WSDLs and the other ancient nonsense.
I’m also glad we’ve mostly progressed from SAML to OAuth2/OIDC/JWT. Sure, SAML still exists but it’s definitely on its way out, once the enterprises of yesteryear eventually switch.
I don’t know if you’ve ever built a SAML application and/or IdP, but it’s awful.
Sometimes “old” is just worse.
Yes, I have. Krb5, LDAP, OAuth2, CAS, and SAML 1 & 2. XML sucks but sometimes you have to pee with bits you have rather than remake the entire world all at once with a utopian panacea.
But if you have other options, I think too many people are also stuck in “I know what I know and I know it will work” and will happily kludge along while something else is sitting right next to them, better for the job.
Neither extreme works.
But it looks like pro-military agi-prop, standard spec-ops worship stuff.
He would also say, “If you’re in a hurry, then you don’t have time to rush!”
This probably applies everywhere, but it's really stark when you're playing with quickly-solidifying goopy liquid sand
I already wanted to learn glassblowing, but hearing it described this way just sold me on it completely. I’m gonna go find a place. :)
I bet after both the experiences, they will be like: "The only thing we could say with certainty is that how to make effective teams one way or another. 97% you fail or flail. 3% you succeed and succeed big."
If you see the graveyard of MAANG Products you can see a pattern. The sheer volume and size of products that have come and gone IS how they survived[1]. Can any one say, for example, Meta is where it is today by doing any of this Slow is Smooth and that is fast culture?
Sure, there were acquisitions(those too were fast) and there are bad initiatives and orgs (alexa, google+social, facebook phone), but then there are also many amazing things like LLMs and MooCs.
The issue is that if you look at Meta’s successful products…
1. Facebook - would have won whether it moved fast or slow. This was network effects, not “features”
2. Messenger - has not won, and only exists because of Facebook’s aforementioned network effects.
3. Instagram - acquired.
4. Quest - acquired.
5. A bunch of other random shit nobody cares about and will never make Meta money.
I can pretty much guarantee both FB and Messenger would be just as big as they are now if Facebook had “broken less crap.”
Moving fast and breaking shit made working at Meta fun, not necessarily more productive, even if at times it felt more productive to the engineer, since they could push code faster.
I've heard the phrase associated with martial arts/self-defense - like drawing a gun and shooting in self defense, or initiating unarmed attack (defense). Rush and tense up in the muscles - and you will literally be slower. And probably miss as well.
I saw a few interesting comments here, like the expanded: "Slow is steady, steady is smooth, smooth is fast"
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4FZfzqMtwQZES3eqN/slow-is-sm...
And see that Wiktionary hand waves at the military as the origin.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/slow_is_smooth,_smooth_is_f...
“…and speed is the efficiency of motion.”
Move only what needs to be moved, and you save a lot of gas.
Or as a mentor of mine is fond of saying, “slow down! we’re in a hurry here!”
If you try to input your attacks and movements too soon, they won't come out at all. So advice to new players is to err on the side of being slow, since it ensures the move input gets registered.
In other words, focus on making strategic decisions and making sure you are aiming in the right direction rather than pumping your chest when you pull an all-nighter or feeling too proud about "staying busy". No one cares!
- I like John Wooden's saying "be quick but don't hurry". I mentioned that to a doctor who trained in the mid 20th century and he said that surgeons had a line "hurry, but don't rush"
- several people here mention that they learned this phrase in the military
- the first written mention I could find is in a 1998 army report [0]
- the first Google Books hit for this phrase is from 1970 but this seems to be an error - the full text preview is from a different, recent book [1]
- Internet Archive has a lot of hits - but the earliest ones - except for the army report mentioned above - are from the 2000s (don't be fooled by wrong publishing dates in the metadata) [2]
- Google Ngram Viewer shows a brief appearance around 1980 (maybe a fluke) and then a steady rise in the 2000s [3].
- In one army magazine I saw an extended version: "slow is smooth, smooth is fast, fast is deadly" (which doesn't transfer that well to other professions)
[0] https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA357718/page/23/mode/2up?...
[1] https://www.google.de/books/edition/Span_of_Control/IYy_EAAA...
[2] https://archive.org/search?query=%22slow+is+smooth%22&sin=TX...
[3] https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=slow+is+smooth...
One that came to my mind when I was trying to help my step-daughter learn to drive:
"Be assertive, but don't be aggressive."
I use a quote from Lydiard on my homepage [1] that’s similar:
“It’s much better to go too slowly than too fast.”
I suspect it does originate in the military, though, and probably reloading guns and cannons while under fire. Might go back further than that to bows and arrows.
Looks like a related term "make haste slowly" dates back to Roman times and was applied to military commanders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festina_lente
Haste makes waste.
Brevity is a form of efficiency.
Granted the SEAL community predated Prousts F1 participation, but SeAL tactics were not top of mind in 80s popular culture like they are today.
Haste makes waste - British
Festina lente - Latin (Make haste slowly)
Chi va piano, va sano e va lontano - Italian (Slow and steady wins the race)
Slowly but surely - many cultures, probably dates back to hunter gatherers.
"Slow is smooth, smooth is quick, quick is fast" is the variation I was taught by a military relative. He was a Richard Marcinko fanboi, too, but I don't know if that's related. They all circle a notion we internalize with particular meaning that the words don't ever quite capture, perfectly, but we get the point across.
Marcel Proust is the famous writer.
But yes, it would be interesting to learn about the origin of this phrase.
The tradeoff is: you're going slow. (c.f. Uvalde)
There's a kind of corollary on how to get fast from music: you practice as slow as you can perfectly play the etude, then go one step faster until that is perfectly played.