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Clicking "New database" doesn't do anything for me...? No changes in the UI, and no messages in the console. Admittedly I'm not signed in with Github, but isn't that only for the AI thing (that really I don't want to use).

Edit: Okay reading kiwicopple's comment makes it clearer that chatGPT is not-optional. I'm... not enthused by this. Why would you take something that's local-first and gatekeep it with something as useless as an AI-for-your-db?

https://pglite.dev/repl/ is available as a more barebones browser-pglite playground.

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Design does not communicate well; you need to sign in with your GitHub to create new database or even type into Input field. Infact it says "To prevent abuse we ask you to sign in before chatting with AI." Which they do not, you have to do it yourself. Why show create "New database" button and Input field before user sign in?

We tested several models and GPT-4o was the most accurate and makes the most sense for our initial launch

That said: it's 100% our intention to add local models. This is just our v1.

Yeah perhaps I came in with the wrong expectations. The ui/url made me expect a postgre playground, when instead I got this. Perhaps Postgres.ai?

Also... the page title is "Postgres Sandbox". This is, at best, misleading.

The point is that the verbiage ("To prevent abuse we ask you to sign in before chatting with AI.") implies that only the AI won't work if you don't sign in, not the entire product/site.

good feedback, thanks

we'll change the verbiage for now, and look at ways we can provide a 100% local experience without logins

I think the point is that many of us would like this without any AI in it, just a simpler Postgres playground in the browser, much like the Rust or Go playgrounds.

> just a simpler Postgres playground in the browser...

Then you want pglite. This project uses it and provides a link to it.

I obviously saw that since it's linked in the very first message in the chain of messages I responded to.

pglite.dev/repl does not have the same level of visualizations as postgres.new.

What I 'want' is exactly what I described in my previous message, postgres.new but without the required LLM integration, the same sentiment others had in this thread.

we have something like that from an earlier launch:

https://wasm.supabase.com/

Be aware that the WASM file is 30Mb, but i think it fits what you're describing. details here: https://supabase.com/blog/postgres-wasm

Benchmarks suggest otherwise. Toqan's sql benchmark shows other models way up in the ranking compared to gpt-4o [1]

Open Weight models specifically fine-tuned on sql generation and modification also rank pretty well compared to SOTA proprietary models. If you want to eval alternative models, check out sqleval [2]

1 https://prollm.toqan.ai/leaderboard/stack-unseen?type=concep...

2 https://github.com/defog-ai/sql-eval

> Clicking "New database" doesn't do anything for me...?

You need to start typing after clicking on the button. It needs some UX rethinking, but no bugs, just start typing on the chat

(So uh, just to clarify for posterity, when I originally made this comment it was just a link to https://postgres.new/ without any description, and kiwicopple's comment was just a link to another comment of his on a related post. Obviously now there are more words, everywhere, explaining everything.)

(I still hate LLMs in my DB. I KNOW SQL LET ME WRITE IT.)

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