Is oral history more durable than written history?
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Still, finding that a non-zero fraction of oral history survives on the order of tens of millennia is very cool.
Also, all history since evolution of man before stone tablets and similar was oral, and we have very very little that persisted till now with 0 chance of new discoveries. Much more persisted in written form, and its coming from much shorter timespan. Also, massive room for accidental or intentional distortion and even eventual complete loss of original content in oral history.
I'd say most modern religions fall into this, they literally copy&pasted each other with rather small changes (which were then thrown out of proportions by fanatical followers), typical most famous one is zoroastroanism -> judaism -> christianity -> islam -> bahai and of course each node has tons of sects which mix with the others also on other levels in various ways. And each claims they are the only valid eternal truth and word of God... with at best mild tolerance towards every other offshoot.
Its funny in worst way possible to meet religious fanatics from any of those, rational debate is simply impossible and they only look for quick mental exits from any sort of critical thinking and introspection. I am firmly convinced that reading properly original stuff that that ended up as the book we call Bible would make quite a few people these days leave the religion.
For me its not even comparable.
It's easy to imagine we don't have the first year of writing, maybe the first human lifetime of writing, but it stretches imagination to invoke a situation where somehow a civilisation is writing clay tablets for hundreds of years, decides they are not to be made into permanent records and somehow they're so lucky that there's never a house fire, a goof at the bakery, somebody's kid spills hot stuff on the tablet, nothing like that and so over that period every single tablet is destroyed/ erased as expected and leaves no trace.
It becomes even less logical when you consider that the oral "history" has probably changed multiple times in that 12000 years.
How on earth do you verify that a 12000 year old story that you hear today is the same story that was initially told 12000 years ago?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journey-oldest-cave-p...
“The art also has a longer sequence than any of these other sites, extending from recent times back at least 40,000 years, probably 50,000 years.”
~ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/the-worlds...~ https://therangeskarratha.com.au/explore/rock-art
Naturally threatened by Oil&Gas hub expansion.
I like the way that ended. More traditional stories should contain vague words like "probably". It reminds me of the part in the book of Revelation where "there was silence in heaven for about half an hour".
When pressed, the expedition's Aboriginal guide explained their creation
As quoted third hand by Agnes Schultz in 1956.It's far removed from the manner in which, say, Kumantjayi Mowaljarlai spoke directly first hand about the works he maintained.
https://magabala.com.au/products/yorro-yorro
There's much lost in translation.
Cool. It can't all be myths, though, I seem to remember one piece of more recent rock art depicts sailing ships.
You have to be very stingy with your definition of history and writing to ignore the fossil record as a recording of historical events. We'll revisit the question in several hundred million years and see how oral traditions are doing.
I one difference is written history probably does not change much over the years. Also, how many oral stories/histories have been completely lost throughout time ? Where if written down, it is possible something could eventually be found.
I think I read somewhere, lots of books are being coded into a media that will last for millions of years. Hopefully that is happening :)
The last few years has caused me to doubt all history. All written or oral records are all
Yep, I have no doubt oral history also changed... Great king, great king. Oh new king good, old one bad...
So yes, don’t always believe history. Events that happened hundreds of years ago have gone through many spin cycles.
It is pretty cool to see aboriginal oral traditions (of up to 14,000 years old according to the article) being used to map the rising sea levels over thousands of years.
So back to more reliable external means:
But, printing, especially Movable Type, makes it practical to produce copies of written history. And then digital computers make it not just practical but essentially free.
My understanding is that historians wouldn't call this "Oral history" but instead "Oral tradition". Because we now have technology to make and copy records, to them "Oral history" is the records of what people recall about something, typically first hand recollections. When you do this, mutation stops, which is valuable to historians.
Example #1: Ronald Reagan gets elected US President. Written history, that this happened is directly recorded when it happened. Written History. Many copies. No mutations.
Example #2: Someone from Reagan's campaign recounts to a historian the events of the election night as they realised he was going to win and this is recorded on tape. Oral History. Many copies. Mutations fixed at moment of recording shortly after election.
Example #3: I recall hearing that Reagan was elected President and mention this to a historian in 2023 during a recorded conversation. It is PCM data and it's also auto-transcribed with transcription checked and corrected by the historian. Oral History. Fewer but still N copies. Mutations fixed only decades after event that was recalled.
Example #4: Our intern re-tells the story she heard from me about Reagan being elected, on a podcast. She wasn't born until this century, so she wasn't a witness to the event, but she did hear me tell the story. Now arguably Oral tradition. Many Copies. Considerable mutation.
Example #5: The podcast for some crazy reason goes viral. Mutated versions of the Reagan story, now sometimes naming Clint Eastwood for some reason, circulate. A popular "re-staging" of the text has an unnamed British woman hearing that Clint Eastwood has been elected on the radio, after Rick Astley's famous "Never Gonna Give You Up" is played, which means now it's the wrong man, the wrong year and little of the story has survived. This is definitely Oral Tradition. Huge numbers of copies. Mutations never cease.
I very much doubt though that ALL types of history would be good for that, let alone other types of information. Not a lot of dry econometrics textbooks lend themselves to rote memorization for example.