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What's hiring like these days?

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I work for a, uhh, large semiconductor company and am successful and like the work but they are frankly offering me too much money to "retire" early I almost can't turn it down.

But I would want to find more work within a few months. I'm 51 and have been at the company for 27 years, in areas ranging from IT enterprise full stack development to design engineering automation to C++ driver development these days.

What's it like to come out of the protective, motherly embrace of the corporate world these days for a middle aged person, how is the job market for remote or hybrid work?

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Hiring manager here: the market is tough -- really tough. But there _are_ jobs out there for people with your skill set, and you can find one if you really want to.

If I were in your shoes, I'd consider three options:

1. Take as long as you need to to find a job that resonates with you, regardless of pay. This is probably the most ideal option, as it's going to mean the most stability and least stress, but also given the market, probably harder to achieve.

2. Embrace semi-retirement and become a part-time consultant or contractor. This will let you have enough time to enjoy your 50s without being constantly sucked into work, but still have some discretionary income coming in and keep you mentally stimulated. The challenge here is finding clients, which is a time suck and not very fun.

3. My personal preference: bootstrap your own company! Be your own boss! The only thing you need to spend is your own time, at least at first, and as a recently retired person, you have plenty of that. You won't face age discrimination, you won't have to report to some middle manager kid on a power trip. You set your own rules, your own hours, and control your own destiny. Downside is that this can be a lot of work, and possibly very lonely, unless you can find some cofounders.

I'm aiming to be in your shoes in the next 5 years, so I've been thinking about this a lot. I wish you the best of luck!

The downside to bootstrapping your own company is also no work at all —- not to mention the intense stress as you burn through your savings. Starting a company in the US is one of the easiest things to do, maintaining it is one of the hardest. Odds are your company will fail, putting you in a worse position. I would suggest to OP to stick your #1 option. The current hiring landscape isn't nearly as difficult as bootstrapping your own company, especially if you broaden your horizons to more "boring" industries.

At that level, you should get in to consulting and maybe be making a list of contacts/people you've networked over the years to send out an e-mail to asking the same question.

What's the hiring like? About the same. Intel just laid of 18,000 workers, Dell just laid off 12,500. There'll probably be a ton more. Set up a small consulting gig and coach the new guys coming in. The best wisdom and knowledge fades away with the older generation, and it's a dang shame too.

The world dislikes older people. I think it's mostly because they can't match pay. They want people to glue node modules together with AI, not make C++ drivers. Someone with 2 years of experience writing glue code and willing to be paid as an intermediate would take priority.

There's probably new stuff where that might be useful. Drones maybe. Also these humanoid bots are being well funded, there's probably some work there.

Due to global politics, things are also shifting away from both China and the US and new factories are popping up in all kinds of semi-neutral countries. I expect these places might also be the kind you'd work on. There's a chip boom going on in SE Asia with Chinese companies using places like Malaysia as a proxy to sell to US. It may fit your semiconductor experience.

Why would someone think that 51 years old engineer can't continue doing driver development in C++ or any other tech tasks? Is it that kind of shop that expected you to "advance" to management path but since you "stayed" in the IC role, they think you've failed?

No, this is a voluntary package.. I could stay, but they are offering such a good package I almost have no choice but to take it. This company is going to lose a lot of experienced people, but they need to save a shit ton of money by next year.

Take the package and continue working as an external consultant/contractor :)

Not directly answering your question, but if I were in your exact position, I would consult for local startups. I don't mean, being a programmer for hire. I mean actual expertise consulting. I think that would be super fun, and a way to invest in early startups without putting your hard earned $$$ at risk.

You can always get a job as a fullstack developer. They are looking at people with 8-12+ years experience. You don’t even have to really know how to write software and it pays very well, but you need to fit in. Just follow this list:

* Observe Invented Here Syndrome and avoid writing anything original. Threaten to quit if you have to.

* Don’t measure things. People have personal opinions that are worth dieing over. The last thing anybody wants is evidence to the contrary.

* Learn to love tools, but not tools you, or even anybody you know, write. A giant list of tools should line your resume like beer bottles at an exotic bar.

* Understand the ecosystem of the web. No, not the code or APIs, silly. Know the package managers, the frameworks, and build tools. Prove your manhood by demonstrating just how many of these you can use.

* If business requirements demand a solution far outside your favorite abstraction then just say it can’t be done. When they come back and claim it’s really simple and even offer to show you how it’s best to be offsite in business meetings.

* Don’t ever compromise your personal reputation just to get work done. Ethics are important and so they are best left to the corporate lawyers. What you must do is elaborate on the tools and conventions already available without performing that which deviates from such tools and conventions.

I did not fit in, so I got a government contractor job, fully remote, and could not be more happy.

I kind of want to unironically be this, it sounds like a pretty good gig frankly lol.

In an area like C++ driver development, 51 isn't a handicap. It's a bonus. Experience matters there.

So, yes, you can find work with that background. It may take longer than it takes someone with 5 years of experience, though...

Your organization appreciates your efforts, but they believe it's time for a change to invigorate the team with new creative ideas and innovative approaches.

Getting hired is a random process.

It is like asking what the good lottery numbers are to play right now at 51.

All that changes at 50+ is your physical condition matters more. If you look like you can run circles physically around the hiring manager you will get extra points. If you look like you might die of a heart attack next week that will obviously count against you.

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