I’m not sure why this is getting downvoted. It’s perfectly reasonable to assume that the difficulty in side loading another OS is incidental, rather than designed. A citation would help support the opposite assumption made above.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the original comment. I see a person who wants to use their Mac long-term, but their attempt to use it that way is thwarted by Apple's decisions. You're arguing in bad faith by saying things like this
> people throw logic to the wind to come up with the most ridiculous theories
The user has legitimate grievances and you dismiss it because of this nonsense. You must be joking.
Apple makes decisions like any other company. They are not going to spend engineering time (money) on things that don’t benefit them in some way - that’s a quick way to go out of business. Doubly so if you are actually enabling customers to move away from your eco system - you might have lost future service sales.
You cannot blame apple for acting in its own best interests. That’s the nature of the capitalism beast.
If you want hardware to be opened up for the installation of other operating systems, you’ll have to lobby a governing body for that.
No need. That was already fine 20 years ago in x86 land.
> You cannot blame apple for acting in its own best interests. That’s the nature of the capitalism beast.
Surely you cannot invalidate criticism towards apple using this logic. As I see you don't use the same when criticizing other companies in your other comments.
> 25 years of using Linux has told me that this is not the case.
> As I see you don't use the same when criticizing other companies in your other comments.
Such as?
> "Datadog is one of the companies that somehow get a hold of your company email address and spam everyone there with email subjects like “Re: meeting next week”. Instant ick."
Come on now? It's just capitalism, aint it mate? /s
It is indeed. And regulation is the answer here too. You can be annoyed at companies playing the game but if you want the rules changed then they aren’t going to do it themselves.
I want Linux on apple hardware the same as anyone else, but if I was in apples shoes my priority would be my OS on my hardware unless I had to comply.
Good thing UK is no longer EU so you're a spectator now.
I don’t care for alternative App Stores since I don’t want to deal with my family getting spyware. Shouldn’t I be allowed to vote this way?
Voting to have certain regulations and companies adhering to those regulations are two different things.
If you want to have alternate OS on your hardware, find a way to lobby or vote it into regulations. I would support it.
Apple doesn't invest in Linux support? "they are just maximizing profit as they should, go complain to your goverment".
DataDog does marketing to maximize profit: "Instant ick."
DataDog are being intentionally deceptive with their email subject lines. There is malice there, since the evidence is there.
Apple has no obligation at all to support Linux. There may be malice there but there is no proof. My point was that people apply malice to Apple with no proof.
I care about end-users. I care about my interests. I don't care about Apple's interests, because they are only "incidentally" useful to me as long as they align with my interests. Their own best interests are not any of my concern. I don't care if this is best for them, because it makes the rest of us worse off.
Of course I can blame Apple for acting in its own best interests. The same way I can blame Shell or BP for covering up climate change research in "their own best interests". The same way I can blame EA for putting Ultimate Team in FIFA with insane microtransactions or Bethesda for forcing Arkane Austin to make a live service game like Redfall instead of Prey 2.
We don't live to serve corporations. We have no obligation to agree to every decision they make if they're in "their best interest" and we have no obligation to further businesses solely to the benefit of the businesses themselves.
> If you want hardware to be opened up for the installation of other operating systems, you’ll have to lobby a governing body for that.
And I hope regulation requiring interoperability and open platforms to ensure longevity and end-user control of their own devices is what happens. Because clearly companies like Apple can't be trusted to make choices that benefit everybody. That isn't going to stop me from criticizing Apple for making these decisions.
It's also not like this is something specific to Apple that I'm upset about. I'm also worried about Qualcomm's ARM chips in Windows devices, because I trust neither Qualcomm nor Microsoft to maintain an open platform analogous to what we've had with x86. Long-term, regulation will probably be required anyway.
It’s likely that your interests diverge from the majority of end users. Most people do not want you or me protecting them from highly integrated systems.
Fair to talk about what you want, but I think it’s a mistake to assume your needs are representative.
I think you have a misunderstanding here. No one is talking about agreeing with the decision.
People are arguing that they are being malicious without evidence of this, as always happens with apple and it detracts from the conversation.
My point is that they have no obligation to support Linux. Not supporting it isn’t something that can be classed as malicious unless there is evidence to show it was intentional and for a bad reason.
If you want hardware support policies changed inside apple you should push for this through industry regulation, which I would support.
I can put an SSD drive into my wife's 2010 Macbook Pro, and give it new life, and Linux works really nicely on older Macs, though I'd rather let her keep her old Mac so she can look at all her old photos, etc.
I can't truly do that on most Macs anymore, nor replace the RAM. Apple made their macbooks too thin, arguably I'm grateful for less carry weight, but realistically, I want to be able to replace faulty components with ease.
See also Intel’s Lunar Lake, where LPDDR is integrated on-package because it is cheaper, higher performance, and more reliable. But… not user-serviceable.
It’s the curse of the hobbyist: the vast majority of buyers are not hobbyists, so product design choices do not favor the hobbyist. Best you can do is find niche brands that focus on your use cases, but of course they will have lower sales volumes, which bring different sorts of pain.
Mine has sleep problems, battery drain and the trackpad does pretty much whatever it wants. The only reply we get from their Linux compatibility guy is don’t use an untested distro… which comes down to you are holding it wrong. System76 might be the better option tbh.
You might not see the issue there. You might be willing to forgive Apple for it. Plenty of us aren't. And it has nothing to do with "hating Apple", rather it's an extension of hating how Apple makes decisions regarding things like this. I own an M1 Macbook, I've owned an iPhone, I have an iPad. There is no irrational hatred here.